SmitteyB

The 34.99 is a fair price per year for me... $50 still seems like money grab.

If anyone is considering it - get the stuff for free NOW! Save yourself $90 and $20 on the program and app.

The Juice

Ahhh, just like a boardwalk salesman..."Act now, and save!"

Its not for free now. You pay for the ios system and will every year. You will have to pay whatever Coradine decides is necessary to make their business work. They changed their business model and pay system already, why would/should anyone believe they wont again? Now, I do believe they have the right to charge whatever they want, and the market will decide if the fail or not.

I for one will not be pressured by a random "buy before" date into dropping good money after I already dropped $150 a year ago for 6.


Fool me once.....fool me twice...

Tacos

He's actually correct. In either case, having the iOS and syncing ability, will cost $50 per year. If you buy it now, before the 8th, you will not have to buy each of the apps on top of the yearly fee. The Mac version is completely free, i just downloaded it and uploaded my old logbook from an older version of Logten. After the 8th, you have to pay for each upfront and then again yearly. I guess that's their way of getting the other $20 per month. It's a much better deal right now. Also, you don't have to continue the subscription. You can stop at anytime and continue to use the Mac version free.

missingbite

Ok here we go. I have to stand up for these guys and tell the truth about both LTP and their pricing models.

First, Coradine has always had excellent customer service. They may not have always given you the features you wanted but the software works great and if you have a hiccup, it usually only takes an email to get it fixed. (I have over 10K hours logged leg by leg in great detail with airports all over the world)

Second, I hear a lot of *****ing about the price of the software. Personally I don't think it was that much to ask for a small company. Some of you even admitted that their customer base is very low. Let's face it, they aren't selling software to gamers that number in the millions. I bet their customer base is in the thousands. Good software takes time and money to produce. I am willing to bet most of the *****ing comes from guys who have NEVER run a company.

Third. I for one find it ironic that someone can in one sentence say the price is outrageous and unacceptable to ask a poor regional pilot to pay those prices and in the second sentence admit that they are using said program on an iPhone 6 which is at least $200 plus an average of $80 to $100 per month. Total cost of said iPhone......MINIMUM $1160/year!....and then sync it with a Macbook which is at least $899. If you are on a budget....buy an old clam phone and claim to be retro!

In all fairness, I have been frustrated with LTP a few times as well but it has always been much better than the alternative. I have never had to wait more than a day for an email response and if that didn't work, they would get a copy of my logbook and fix it for me. I hope none of you need Adobe Photoshop.....which is going to a subscription model of pricing.

I guess I am in the minority here because I want Coradine to be successful and continue to grow. That way they can offer more options in the future.

Rant over.....Flame away.

SmitteyB

Well I was not using an electronic logbook before this, so $34.99 for a year of the native program and iOS sync-ability is quite a value.

I agree, however, that in the long term if Coradine decides to raise the price then we could be in a pickle.

I would pay the 34.99 now and keep the mac version forever. That is a smart investment.

But then again, I'm just a guy who vomits on request...

The Juice

Being that you did not have to drop $150-$200 in the last year/2 like the majority of us, yeah, your entry cost is much lower than someone who did pay the $150-$200 for the package and now is being told to pony up mas dinero.

I do hate that the option has become "download the free Mac app and cancel the ios plan" that some are talking about. This will probably cause Coradine to now have to seek $$ by other means (charging now for the Mac version monthly). The ios syncing is the main reason to have an electronic logbook. Having to come home and log your trips into the computer is no different than having to come home and log it into the big brown book.

The Juice

Or one could argue that a person can afford an iphone 6 and Mac because they see that unnecessary monthly fees are not money well spent. The majority of people having issues with the pricing are not touting the "im a poor regional FO." They are simply saying "what did I just pay for?"

SmitteyB is a prime example of this. He is buying into the new program with $0 already invested in the product. So he is ok with the price points. But what does it say to existing customers who dropped $200 last year, asking them to pay the same price SmitteyB is? Does it honestly sound like the great customer service that you speak of Coradine having?

Do you not think it would be in Coradine's best interest for their long standing customers to perhaps offer the ios program free the first 2 years if you purchased Version 6?

missingbite

I think what it says is the same Apple says when you purchase an iPhone every two years. "Our last years phone will work just fine for a couple of more years before we stop supporting it." I know people still using an iPhone 3g. If you bought an iPhone 5s three months ago does apple owe you a 6 or something else free? Of course not....Technology changes fast.

Coradine was not saying you had to upgrade right now. In fact, until people started *****ing about the subscription prices both mac and iOS versions of LTP were free. If you paid for version 6 last year and don't want to pay the subscription until a year or two from now....don't. Version 6 STILL WORKS and it will still sync with your mac. Maybe not in the cloud and that is something that happened because of Apple and the new iCloud Drive. I am running both versions right now with Yosemite. LTP X syncs with iCloud Drive and LTP 6 over wifi. The only argument one might have with Coradine about that is people bought version 6 and were told it supported iCloud. But again, it still will unless you have the NEWEST version of OS X with iCloud Drive turned on. (I could be wrong about that but I don't think so.)

Technology changes very often. LTP X is a more capable program than version 6 was. If it was nothing more than a glorified excel spreadsheet everyone on the planet would make one for nothing. I could be totally wrong but I would be willing to bet Noah and the group at Coradine spend an enormous amount of time working there and like I said before, their customer base is relatively small. In order to run software company you either keep up or die. I for one hope Coradine is around a long time.

Facebiter obviously thinks I am insane and that is fine too. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I simply have the opinion that good software costs money.....or crappy ads.....and I prefer to reward what I consider good companies with my money.

Tacos

I agree. While it sucks, upgrading and costs are what Apple and their associated products thrive on. Paying software engineers and everyone else at the company requires a lot of cost and there are not millions of buyers. My wife's an NP and her medical apps cost a couple hundred a year. Small price for the convenience. Ntm a tax deductable expense. For $50 per year I will buy the convenience. If it goes up, I probably will not. But that's a decision for another day.