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04-21-2015, 08:33 AM

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How much did DAL net last quarter? UAL, this has always been about divide and conquer, mainline against regional pilot, keep them arguing, add a few threats, bingo, the industry today. Problem is, no one wants to be a regional F/O, fewer pilots entering the hiring stream, the flawed plan comes to fruition. Mainline guys are talking about pay protection, regional guys are going to Paris for ERJ sims, the new choke point is simulator time, ain't enough to go around. The wheels are coming off the donkey cart, because airline management is the bottom of the corporate barrel. The law of Unintended Consequences was written when Orville refused Wilbur untaxable per diem.

The airlines will incrementally sweeten the pot. It started with hiring bonuses, now there are some restricted flows. Is it Endeavor now paying for 500 hrs toward your 1500 hrs at ATP? They will drip a little more honey onto the floor to see what comes out of the woodwork. You will see some agreements with zero to hero programs with the regionals with a flow into a major. It will happen, until it's cancelled. The majors might even let a student smash bags for them to help defray the cost of flight training. FA to FO program anyone?

04-21-2015, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by bedrock

. FA to FO program anyone?

A friend of mine is a new hire FA at a regional. At training they actually talked about a possibility of a scholarship program to get flight attendants into the cockpit.

04-21-2015, 09:48 AM

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So they can implement it when no one is looking.

They have been trying really hard to keep anything with the EFB to go to a pilot vote. Maybe the realized how ****ty this pay package was and didn't want to add anything else that may cause a couple more no votes.

And voting in this pay package to keep upgrades going is the most disturbing thing I have heard in a long time. I really hope people are not that stupid to believe that. Or cruel enough to think they need to sucker more people in underneath them so they can get that upgrade.

04-21-2015, 09:56 AM

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A friend of mine is a new hire FA at a regional. At training they actually talked about a possibility of a scholarship program to get flight attendants into the cockpit.

Utter BS. As we all know FA class is about the last place they would look. They'd offer scholarships to flight school students or military non-flyers first.

04-21-2015, 10:01 AM

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A friend of mine is a new hire FA at a regional. At training they actually talked about a possibility of a scholarship program to get flight attendants into the cockpit.

why not? It makes sense actually. FA training is what 3 weeks and pilot training is about 6 weeks? Just spend an extra 3 weeks in class and become a pilot.

04-21-2015, 10:54 AM

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why not? It makes sense actually. FA training is what 3 weeks and pilot training is about 6 weeks? Just spend an extra 3 weeks in class and become a pilot.

I have personally seen FAs who thought this was reality...

04-21-2015, 11:22 AM

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I know many pilots who started their airline careers as flight attendants. The only difference between now and then the companies were real airlines not regional airlines.

04-21-2015, 01:01 PM

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Correct

Dang! That hurt my brain to read. The Allegiant "strike" was never sanctioned by the NMB. Regardless of what a Federal court says, they are the only entity that can authorize a strike under the RLA.

My point is they shouldn't have to get authorization to strike.

04-21-2015, 02:19 PM

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First year regional pay $30/hr

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That's interesting, I've never had anyone say that before. What are some examples of soft pay at your company? Hell even the term soft pay isn't really a technical term, more slang. Both places I work just call it credit.

Soft time is soft because it's credit for not actually working. So some examples of it are rigs, min duty day, min calendar day, min monthly guarantee, cancelation pay. There are many examples debriefing on your work rules (or lack thereof). For us we can get soft time by picking up open trips, picking up premium pay trips, transition adjustments, vacation adjustments, FAR adjustments, training adjustments, ROE, calendar day layovers, reassignments (reflows), junior manning, jury duty, and probably more that more entrepreneurs have figured out. Basically anytime you are getting paid without having to be in an aircraft, classroom, or simulator.

04-21-2015, 03:37 PM

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Rigs give you credit when you are working as well. For example early check in, one leg sit 3:30 at an outstation, one leg sit 3:30 at a hub, one leg to the overnight. Long day, short legs with a 2:1 you're making half your hourly pay. Not sure how that's viewed as a good thing.

It's not limited to credit time not spent in the airplane, classroom, or simulator as you described it. It's simply additional credit. I found there is a lot more of it at the commuters however. Our trips are generally built within the confines of the contract and as such very little additional credit is paid out. Sometimes the 3.5:1 trip rig hits but not often.