23 Regionals today - how many go under?

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04-24-2015, 10:21 AM

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Squallrider

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I'd rather not be a wholly owned; we have had talks with United in the past for flow and rumor is Skywest turned it down because we can't afford to lose pilots. Not being wholly owned means you have more clients, Skywest has a very diverse portfolio flying for every Mainline as well as capital to buy its own aircraft and simulators, the latter of which are hard to rent nowadays. Still filling classes with 40 new hires in the last class, upgrade is dropping and quick upgrades at tsa and psa will eventually go away especially with 50 seater draw down. Skywest has been around 40 years and going strong.

04-24-2015, 10:21 AM

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How many will go under?

Hopefully all of them. And it won't be a day too soon.

04-24-2015, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by pete2800

How many will go under?

Hopefully all of them. And it won't be a day too soon.

Agreed. Let the 2nd class citizenship and B-Scale be eliminated from the industry forever.

04-24-2015, 11:16 AM

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These regionals bring in billions of profits for their mainline partners. If airlines get desperate, they can always over hire at mainline, and furlough to the regionals. This notion that regionals will fall apart on their own, and mainline will return the flying is ludicrous. Scope recapture must be hard fought by mainline pilots.

04-24-2015, 11:22 AM

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That would work if the majors had flow-back agreements with regionals. I can't think of a single agreement that would provide for the maneuver you've described that's in place.

04-24-2015, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Mesabah

I disagree. All these cancelled flights say United or American on the ticket. The mainline cannot have a **** product.

Look for Delta to buy E 190s. Then monkey see monkey do.

It's our time all the flying at mainline. With the compensation we all deserve.

04-24-2015, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by pete2800

That would work if the majors had flow-back agreements with regionals. I can't think of a single agreement that would provide for the maneuver you've described that's in place.

Delta has a flow down agreement with Compass. I can't imagine retraining an entire pilot list is attractive to anyone right now. Sounds expensive and operationally very difficult. Plus Delta furloughs flying American Eagle flights seems extra wrong.

Hopefully mainline recaptures a lot of scope during this pilot pay shortage. I had to laugh at DL forcing the 9e bankruptcy and now paying more for pilots than pre bk.

04-24-2015, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ChristheCFI

Some may go through mergers, some may go bankrupt, but yes, we'll lose a lot of regionals unless they change their business model. Here's my list of survivors:

Cape Air
Compass Airlines
Corvus Airlines
Endeavor Air
Horizon Air
Island Air
Mesa Airlines
Peninsula Airways
Piedmont Airlines
Republic Airlines
Seaborne Airlines
SkyWest

Most of those left are either well-run, and/or wholly-owned, and/or serve a niche market, or are "too big to fail" and will re-work their business model.

I believe we have more part 135 carriers then the two that's on the list. cape air and pen air hanging around waiting to pounce on what's left of the part 121 regional carcass.

04-24-2015, 11:56 AM

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They need to pay more if the system wants to survive...remember thousands of pilots are leaving the mayors due to 65 in the next 3/4 years...and how many new pilots are the regionals getting now?? just a few...so UNITED DELTA AA have to address this problem now...