Otterbox

Depending on who you talk to re: preojections vs time on property etc. for some people it has been and will be, for other people not so much.

Example: Piedmont pilots with two years on property today are projecting only having another 2-2.5 years until they flow based on attrition and increases flow #s AFTER they got on property. Someone 2 years on property at Envoy today has longer than 2-2.5 years until flow. New Hires at PDT today will most likely have a longer flow than 4-4.5 years due to the number of people ahead of them and their flow being approx 10% of the pilot group per year.

Both Companies are advertising approximatelt a 5 year flow for new hires. I would personally do career planning based on a 7 year flow.

Jersdawg

It is projected to be slightly faster than Envoy's. The only way you'll know if it is faster or not is when you're sitting in the seat over at AA.

My advice is to avoid commuting. The schedules at Envoy and PDT are not great right now, and if you lived at home in DFW and drove to work, it would mitigate the terribleness. Commuting to a bad schedule is rough. Of course there is no guarantee you'd get DFW at ENY right off the bat, but as long as you get a 145 slot (which there will be no shortage of) you will be able to bid back to DFW at a fairly early opportunity.

If you lived near PHL, I would be saying the same thing but more in favor of PDT. If you had to commute to either airline, I would probably give PDT the slight nod right now, as well. Living at home makes a HUUUUGE difference.

send a check

That is exactly why I choose PDT. Salisbury is a 4 hour drive. Harrisburg is a 2 hour drive and PHL is 1.5 hours. I admire guys and gals who commute and the dedication it takes. But I hope to never commute if I can possibly avoid it.

Pedro4President

Envoy is going to flow a higher % of its pilots then PDT per year. So all things being equal on paper Envoys flow is faster in a side by side comparison.

But things aren't equal. PDT has a much higher % of its pilots not flowing to AA compared to Envoy. Envoy could flow 50% of each new hire class but it's likely to be limited to 30 per month unless NHs continue to show up. Other factors will impact flow time but it's hard to say who for.

So, who will win in a race? Will the PDT guys start choosing to flow instead of passing it up? Will more Envoy guys pass up flow, get hired at DAL or United or where ever?

I'll Second the advice that the guy before said about commuting and living in base. Good Luck.

MKUltra

Other than about 5 people who have passed up the flow right now, all others will remain a "no". That's about 60 people.

LongTimeListenr

They also projected flow increases at PSA. That never panned out for them. But hey, "we're projecting it, so it has got to happen!".

rondonq1

They are taking the page from the Envoy playbook. Projecting is a big deal there.

ORDinary

Your 2017 AA flow is incorrect, Rick Wilson said they expect to flow 330. Considering they only have classes at AA for 11 months of the year, 300-330 seems more realistic. I hope you're right, do you have any evidence whatsoever?

BeechPilot33

I chose PDT because they are growing and the junior Jet Captain was hired in July 2016. That is not a projection; and that is before the acceleration of jet deliveries. As far as the flow - it is a projection either way, but I would rather climb through 500 pilots than 1,850 pilots. And at PDT lots of senior guys will chose not to flow. Couple that with little reserve time you can build lots of PIC faster at PDT which will increase your odds at a job with the majors. I would not count on the flow as the only way to get to a major.

Pick a company and move to a base. I would not recommend commuting, especially at the regional level and the regional airlines schedules. Any of the WO is a good choice in today's environment; you have the stability of being owned by AA, decent pay, good travel and healthcare, and a flow. And hopefully bringing back flying to the WO's will be faster movement at all companies.

Wink

Did the OP make a decision? I really don't think you'd be making a bad choice with either.