Asiana 777 Crash at SFO
07-06-2013, 12:09 PM
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SFO Tower 1.
http://archive-server.liveatc.net/ks...2013-1800Z.mp3
(I heard go around in this one from the asiana cockpit)
SFO Tower 2
http://archive-server.liveatc.net/ks...2013-1800Z.mp3
22 mins in about on tower 1. 1822Z.
On Tower #2: Asiana 214 checks into "SFO Tower #2" at 22:40 looking for landing clearance. No response. Then 214 checks in again looking for landing clearance at 23:40. At 24:47 "All aircraft standby". Very tense tone of voices begin. SFO and Class B closes. Horizon and Skywest go around.
Even though they are labeled Tower and Tower 2 they might have the same, or very similar, recordings.
http://archive-server.liveatc.net/ks...2013-1800Z.mp3
(I heard go around in this one from the asiana cockpit)
SFO Tower 2
http://archive-server.liveatc.net/ks...2013-1800Z.mp3
22 mins in about on tower 1. 1822Z.
On Tower #2: Asiana 214 checks into "SFO Tower #2" at 22:40 looking for landing clearance. No response. Then 214 checks in again looking for landing clearance at 23:40. At 24:47 "All aircraft standby". Very tense tone of voices begin. SFO and Class B closes. Horizon and Skywest go around.
Even though they are labeled Tower and Tower 2 they might have the same, or very similar, recordings.
07-06-2013, 12:09 PM
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Looks like the plane hit short of the runway. There are marks and impact inprints right at the waterline. Also the elevetors and rudder are located at the approach end and not even on the threshold of the actual runway. Question is was there something mechinal that caused them to land short or was it pilot error. In US Navy carrier terms this was a ramp strike.
07-06-2013, 12:17 PM
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A SFO USCG vessel found a body, CNN reports.
Witness also reports the aircraft spun 360degees like a Top. Missing empennage caused this? i doubt 360 degrees. but maybe. Since the plane is fairly intact, fuselage and wings, i doubt it spun much more than simply being displaced off runway heading.
Witness also reports the aircraft spun 360degees like a Top. Missing empennage caused this? i doubt 360 degrees. but maybe. Since the plane is fairly intact, fuselage and wings, i doubt it spun much more than simply being displaced off runway heading.
07-06-2013, 12:19 PM
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07-06-2013, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 32LTangoTen
A SFO USCG vessel found a body, CNN reports.
Witness also reports the aircraft spun 360degees like a Top. Missing empennage caused this? i doubt 360 degrees. but maybe. Since the plane is fairly intact, fuselage and wings, i doubt it spun much more than simply being displaced off runway heading.
Witness also reports the aircraft spun 360degees like a Top. Missing empennage caused this? i doubt 360 degrees. but maybe. Since the plane is fairly intact, fuselage and wings, i doubt it spun much more than simply being displaced off runway heading.
Yes, they could have spun out on the runway, and it's possible based on the location of the detached engine pressed up against the fuselage (notice I did not say which engine, we can't know that at this point). The fact that the glide slope transmitter is out for both runways is possibly the most important bit of information we know at this point, in what looks like a "short landing" by a long body aircraft. Easy to do with the high cockpit position for two tired pilots and a possibly unstable approach.
07-06-2013, 12:36 PM
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Don't know if it's posted already but here is a live feed. Plane crashed upon landing at San Francisco Intl. airport | Fox News Video
07-06-2013, 12:36 PM
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Early tail strike on approach end sea wall (rocks) appears to have caused tail separation. Pilot input prior to strike could have been affected by smoke in the cockpit, engine failure, running out of fuel, or just pilot error. Assuming the pilots survived and the recorders are available (probably in the overrun area) the NTSB will have answers soon. Unfortunately the press is already assigning blame.
07-06-2013, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Ftrooppilot
Early tail strike on approach end sea wall (rocks) appears to have caused tail separation. Pilot input prior to strike could have been affected by smoke in the cockpit, engine failure, running out of fuel, or just pilot error. Assuming the pilots survived and the recorders are available (probably in the overrun area) the NTSB will have answers soon. Unfortunately the press is already assigning blame.
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