Jet Blue engine failure after takeoff
09-20-2014, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by ackattacker
I agree with this post. I hate to second guess the crew, but from the video the cabin was pretty clear by the time they landed, and nothing was on fire internally or externally. Sounds from descriptions like the smoke was likely engine oil or combustion byproducts getting into the pack and once the engine was secured the smoke stopped.
Luckily it sounds like nobody was injured during the evacuation, and it makes good press I suppose, so all's well that ends well.
As for dropping the masks... probably doesn't do much for the passengers (as noted, the masks don't seal well against your face) but with no actual fire in the cabin it doesn't hurt anything either and makes everybody feel like they're doing something instead of just sitting there coughing and waiting for the end to come.
Luckily it sounds like nobody was injured during the evacuation, and it makes good press I suppose, so all's well that ends well.
As for dropping the masks... probably doesn't do much for the passengers (as noted, the masks don't seal well against your face) but with no actual fire in the cabin it doesn't hurt anything either and makes everybody feel like they're doing something instead of just sitting there coughing and waiting for the end to come.
The masks are not designed to seal to the face. They work on the same principle as nasal cannula type GA systems. They simply inject a small amount of O2 into the ambient air. They should not be deployed in a smoke situation and the O2 canisters burn very hot and can create some smoke which makes things more confused.
09-20-2014, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Thedude
And induce a descent you can't recover from.
There is a reason they are called fire handles.
There is a reason they are called fire handles.
Have a cup of coffee I think you read too far into his statement….
09-20-2014, 04:16 PM
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From what I've seen about this incident it looks like the flight attendants took it upon themselves to manually deploy the O2 masks and also initiate the ground evacuation.
In one of the videos a flight attendant can be heard yelling "BRACE, BRACE, BRACE" at the top of her lungs during landing. Really? Where did she get the idea there would be anything other than a normal landing? Normal as far as the plane landing in a normal manner, albeit with a single engine.
It sounds like one or more flight attendants completely overreacted to this emergency and caused the passengers to think they were in a much worse situation than they really were. Possibly the purser or the lead flight attendant since they are usually the ones to set the mood for the rest of the flight attendants.
An engine failure with a blown oil seal makes a lot of smoke, but once it's shut down it's not a big deal. It's just an engine failure and a single engine landing.
I'm kind of wondering just what kind of communication there was between the flight deck and cabin.
In one of the videos a flight attendant can be heard yelling "BRACE, BRACE, BRACE" at the top of her lungs during landing. Really? Where did she get the idea there would be anything other than a normal landing? Normal as far as the plane landing in a normal manner, albeit with a single engine.
It sounds like one or more flight attendants completely overreacted to this emergency and caused the passengers to think they were in a much worse situation than they really were. Possibly the purser or the lead flight attendant since they are usually the ones to set the mood for the rest of the flight attendants.
An engine failure with a blown oil seal makes a lot of smoke, but once it's shut down it's not a big deal. It's just an engine failure and a single engine landing.
I'm kind of wondering just what kind of communication there was between the flight deck and cabin.
09-21-2014, 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by DLpilot
Someone wrote on the avherald site that the flight attendants initiated the evacuation even though the pilots cancelled it.
09-21-2014, 09:55 AM
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flight attendants took it upon themselves to manually deploy the O2 masks
also initiate the ground evacuation.
In one of the videos a flight attendant can be heard yelling "BRACE, BRACE, BRACE" at the top of her lungs during landing. Really?
09-21-2014, 11:51 AM
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Looks like it was the pilot that initiated the evacuation after all. The video captures the pilot giving three chimes and calling "Easy Victor." At that point the flight attendants complied with the evacuation order.
At the 2:52 point the pilot is clearly heard initiating the evacuation.
JetBlue Plane Emergency Landing When Engine Fails - YouTube
I'm interested in reading the transcript of communications between the flight deck and cabin.
At the 2:52 point the pilot is clearly heard initiating the evacuation.
JetBlue Plane Emergency Landing When Engine Fails - YouTube
I'm interested in reading the transcript of communications between the flight deck and cabin.
09-21-2014, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by CrustyFE
Looks like it was the pilot that initiated the evacuation after all. The video captures the pilot giving three chimes and calling "Easy Victor." At that point the flight attendants complied with the evacuation order.
At the 2:52 point the pilot is clearly heard initiating the evacuation.
JetBlue Plane Emergency Landing When Engine Fails - YouTube
I'm interested in reading the transcript of communications between the flight deck and cabin.
At the 2:52 point the pilot is clearly heard initiating the evacuation.
JetBlue Plane Emergency Landing When Engine Fails - YouTube
I'm interested in reading the transcript of communications between the flight deck and cabin.
And, after the rollout there at the end - everyone appears calm - the cabin looks very livable. But hey! Let's all take a ride down the slides and shut this runway down for good!
Unless there is something I'm missing, what's the problem? Why go through captain upgrade and make the pay if you are just going to be a robot and not use common sense?
Save your company and passengers some time, money, and trouble - if it's reasonably safe to do so - and taxi to the gate. Plus grandma and mom with her infant child don't have to take a chance down a slide. Unreal.
09-21-2014, 01:03 PM
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Did you guys read some of the comments from the general public on that video.
Like OMG there are some idiots amongst us.
The pilot down shifted and caused an over rev. From a self proclaimed highly experienced pilot.
That B' shouldn't have been yelling brace.... Repeated multiple times.
They are amongst us and they vote......
Like OMG there are some idiots amongst us.
The pilot down shifted and caused an over rev. From a self proclaimed highly experienced pilot.
That B' shouldn't have been yelling brace.... Repeated multiple times.
They are amongst us and they vote......
09-21-2014, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Airhoss
The pilot down shifted and caused an over rev. From a self proclaimed highly experienced pilot.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z3bLqjPBlx8
09-21-2014, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by tomgoodman
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