Uniform shop (what is that, your side business?):

Why did APA give such a huge concessionary give? You really don't know? I'll tell you why. It is because the men who currently run the APA are self-serving cowards who are seeking to trade things like an unwritten contract and massive giveaways to get management jobs, just like the guys from 1997.

Ed White, who returned to negotiate the deal in 2003 for John Darrah, was rewarded for his 1997 delivery of the Scope Clause to Don Carty with a Check Airman job;

Ralph Hunter, now APA President, then Vice President, was rewarded in 1997, with a Schoolhouse Check Airman job, where he stayed for a number of years; he returned to also serve on the negotiating committee in 2003;

Karl Battis, negotiator from 1997, became Base Manager of LAX;

Robert Johnson, then APA Chairman for SFO was promoted to Employee Relations;

Fred Bates, negotiator, was promoted to AMR Cockpit Security.

The list goes on of APA officials who sold out in the past to gain lucrative management positions.

100% of that negotiating committee received payoff jobs in management after 1997.

Former TWA Vice President and former ALPA representative for TWA Keith Bounds was an aggressive influence on the APA Board during those times, orchestrating the wholesale replacement of the then-hardline negotiating committee with the men mentioned above. Keith was hoping for a reward job, but it didn't happen for him, his sorry, manipulative, management-wanna-be backside was furloughed.

Did it accomplish anything? Yes, it did! It accomplished yet another sales job where union leaders use their positions in the leadership to appeal to the management for management payoff jobs. This was a trend pioneered by Bill Compton, Keith Bounds and others at TWA. The APA Communications official was soon hired away by AMR Communications. The crooked pilots at APA looked over at TWA and others and learned that using your union position for a payoff really had no downside.

PBS: The key is in the very words that you chose: a GOOD PBS system. Those of us who have been at AA for more than five years know that there will never be such a thing at AA.

With the lunatics running the asylum (TWA pilots running TWA) it might be plausible for a preferential bidding system. But, what the TWA guys fail to see is that AMR doesn't work that way. They are snakes. We have never been able to trust AMR, the latest effort by AMR to blame the pilots on the Chine route loss is just the latest example that our management is not worth a crap and only a fool trusts them.

The inexplicably arrogant men (puzzling that men with such a record of shame would deign to be so cocky) from TWA ignore the management track record of rug-pulling of pilots at AMR and think that they might bring at least one remnant from their failed airline on property. I have got to tell you, they are obsessed with PBS, it represents their Last Gasp of relevance. It is nonsense to think AA pilots should even consider PBS, it is a total giveaway to management and a complete abrogation of an already harmed seniority system at AA. Trade a days-on seniority bid system to allow the company to throw you into anything they want and "try" to give you the days off you request? Are you NUTS? TWA needs to shove this one, starting with Stowe and Jacobs removal from the negotiating committee.

As to your childish last sentence, I am trying to get some discussion on the track record of the use of concessions by pilots as a means to progress the profession. I ask you, sir, can you give me one example where a Neville Chamberlain appeasement by a pilot group has resulted in success? You of all people should see that collapse and frontal urination stains are not tools for promoting the career.

Jetblaster