i am speechless at this thread, you have pilots asking questions about something then you have older grumpy pilots putting them down. what is funny is that why you guys are arguing amongst each other the management and the republican goverment is screwing us all in the ***. why don't you use your supposed wisdom into something creative and fight what is so bad about this industry instead of put down the people you need to fight it with. and i know that most of you are all republicans thinking that they are looking out for us but as long as money is in poltics they all, and i say all, will screw the lower guy to get what they want done.