Then you haven't flown with them all yet. Most of us Greenies spend a lot of time explaining our differences to those that care to hear the long history that made us the way we were. It matters when trying to build unity that one understands history. Maybe not a great avatar name but the list is getting short here for available names. Too late now. I assume since you are calling me someone elses name that you are a pro-DPA supporter and also not interested in talking about facts? You deflect like Carl. Why discuss facts when you can dismiss and ignore. Nothing I've said is false it's just distasteful to your group like vegan donuts are to me.