Originally Posted by
scambo1
As I read it FTB, we have to confer with DCI for any scope changes..every step of the way. Confer just means they have input and not neccesarily a vote. However, the ALPA president signs the contracts and he does this after ensuring they meet (among other things) ALPA's scope goals...whatever they are.
Originally Posted by
DAL 88 Driver
Whether it's ever been an issue before or not, I think the language clearly has the potential for it to be an issue. And we all know how badly we've been burned before by poorly written, ineffective contract language. There's always a first time for a loophole or interpretation to bite you in the rear end.
Originally Posted by
forgot to bid
thats how I read it and I think it's what it was saying except why are they there in the first place? I wish I had it to read again because it's worth talking about.
ALPA Administrative Manual Section 40 - Collective Bargaining
I. The President shall appoint a subcommittee of the Collective Bargaining Committee dedicated to scope within extended airline families (the “Scope Subcommittee”), subject to Executive Council approval of appointments.
1. The Scope Subcommittee is charged with pursuing the following general goals:
a. Increasing Association knowledge on the function and operation of scope provisions.
b. Enhancing cooperation among ALPA pilot groups within each system of mainline and express carriers in formulation of scope proposals for protection and allocation of flying within that system.
2. In pursuing its assigned general goals, the Scope Subcommittee shall:
a. Comprehensively review and analyze (in conjunction with appropriate Association resources) existing scope clauses of both ALPA and non-ALPA carriers in terms of whether they advance scope goals with respect to the preservation and allocation of flying within extended airline systems.
b. Prepare guidelines with respect to standards and principles concerning scope negotiations, including but not limited to: (i) enhancing career protections and (ii) defending against use of alter egos. Further, the Scope Subcommittee may develop independent approaches to addressing scope language or concepts without necessarily being limited to existing scope language or concepts.
c. Track industry changes in scope clauses.
d. Develop contract models for scope clauses.
e. Consult with Negotiating Committees of ALPA pilot groups within the extended system prior to commencement of negotiations, as provided in subsection 3 below.
f. Communicate with non-ALPA pilot groups within the airline family on scope issues.
g. Be available to consult with Negotiating Committees during negotiations concerning scope, and receive updates on status of scope negotiations as provided in subsection 3 below.
h. Report regularly to the Executive Council, Executive Board and Board of Directors and recommend changes to ALPA policies as it deems necessary.
3. Prior to commencement of any bargaining for any ALPA pilot group within a mainline/express system, the applicable Negotiating Committee will meet with the Negotiating Committees of other ALPA pilot groups in the mainline/express system to review opening scope proposals and how they advance ALPA’s scope goals and guidelines. The committees will work with each other to develop a consensus on proposals; if, however, they are unable to do so, subsection 3a below will apply.
a. Following consultation as specified above, and prior to submission of the scope proposal to the airline, the applicable Negotiating Committee will report to the Scope Subcommittee that ALPA pilot groups have consulted with one another and have or have not reached consensus that the planned scope proposal meets ALPA’s scope goals and guidelines; if the latter, Negotiating Committees of other ALPA pilot groups in the system can submit statements of agreement or disagreement to the Scope Subcommittee, which can recommend changes following consultation with the Negotiating Committees involved.
b. The applicable Negotiating Committee and ALPA pilot groups within the mainline/express system will develop in conjunction with the opening proposal agreed reporting benchmarks with respect to developments in on-going scope negotiations which will require that the Negotiating Committee provide updates on the status of scope negotiations to the Scope Subcommittee. In the absence of consensual agreements concerning benchmarks, the Scope Subcommittee will determine reporting benchmarks.
4. During the period that final approval of a collective bargaining agreement is subject to Presidential review under the Constitution and By-Laws, MEC designated representatives of all ALPA pilot groups within the mainline/express system may submit comments prior to the Presidential signature concerning conformity of negotiated scope provisions with recommendations of the Scope Subcommittee and Association policy.