You are framing the argument wrong and for good reason if you want to kick ALPA off property. Name the last time UAL, CAL AMR or DAL was not in an environment where the companies were not in a position of power, ala CH11. Then name the last time that we were in a position of power, ala not CH11 or just out of it, and please tell us how each of these carriers did. If you are honest with yourself and ALPA, the last time was over a decade ago. We have not seen a major complete a non-concessionary, CH 11 section six process since the early part of last decade.

You may want to throw alpa out over the last few years, but the facts are they do the best out of anyone when it comes to traditional section six. APA was getting a lot of help from ALPA, and rumor was they were in agreement on concept to a CBA. We will see if Dave Bates and his crew can keep that together to the signing of the deal. If the rumors were true, we would be very happy with the results that ALPA helped them achieve.

I too am not happy where the last ten years have taken this career, and want to fight to get it back. Just because they have sucked does not mean I blame the person or organization closest to me; ALPA. I blame the industry, SWA for undercutting it, the RLA, and the CH11 process which is no friend of Joe Six Pack. Blaming the only friend you had in the room with Monday Morning Quarterbacking six years later is a cheap shot. Remember this group, UAL, AMR, CAL etc votes "YES" for those concessionary cuts. If you want to have brass balls make your group vote "NO!" ALPA of course is not to play victim and has a lot of improving it needs to do, but to sit there and not look at the entire reality is really just a way to make your motives look more pure.