Originally Posted by EricJ320

You can't just look at the hourly rate and apply it to the minimum guarantee, without looking at the entire contract and how credits are acquired. I can on good faith tell you not a single 767 captain made less than $120,000, and the average was in the $140's, highs in the $160's. (Not counting per diem)

You have to acknowledge a few things when you look at our contract.

1. When this current contract was negotiated and ratified, we had no wide bodies, so while it's lower than we'd like to be, it was ahead of many of our peer airlines flying narrow bodies.

2. Yes, we are ALPA, and proud to be so, but this contract is still only our second one, and is due to be amended March of next year, with negotiations set to start at the end of this month.

3. Ryan used to be a bottom feeder airline, paying FAR substandard rates, salaried no less. In this current contract, over the 4 years, we will have advanced pay and benefits a total of nearly 55%, lowered the max number of days worked per year by 26, increased vacation, sick days, and company 401K contribution. We also restored a furlough and recall system that respects company wide seniority, one of the highest international per diem rates, and get hotels and per diem everywhere we go, including our base. So while you
ask why things haven't changed in the last decade for us, shows you really know nothing about where we came from, or how far we've come. I wouldn't necessarily expect you to, so I thought I'd let you in on a bit of our history, and how we got where we are.

BTW, you want to compare 1st year pay? Let's do that.

Delta $56 1st year, 65 hour guarantee=$43,680
United $33 1st year, 70 hour guarantee=$27,720
American $35 1st year, 64 hour guarantee=$26,88
Ryan $65 1st year, 61 hour guarantee (28 day pay period)=$51,545

Sure, you have a better future at a Legacy carrier, or then again, maybe you don't. Not many of my friends and coworkers who have left for these places are better off than when they left Ryan. Most have endured multiple furloughs, extensive pay cuts, and lengthy times to upgrade. I'm certainly not advocating Ryan as a career job yet, but it's paid the bills, has only gotten better over the last few years, and with any luck, the next contract will get it closer to something you can make a career out of.