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Old 09-27-2011 | 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by HSLD
Remember how the UAL safety culture became agnostic and cooperative after the SFO 747 incident? ALPA and the UAL management worked hand-in-hand to do what was right with respect to safety, no politics. It was truly something to be proud of as a UA pilot and despite contractual disputes that were going on at the time, UA and ALPA were partners in safety. UA management invested big bucks in safety/procedures training because they saw the benefit of increasing the margins of safety throughout the system.

By all appearances, the cooperative safety culture has been gutted and corporate cost savings have become the driving force behind everything UAL is doing. A pilot license belongs to a pilot, not the company - protect yours.

I wonder how well the UA MEC will do presenting all the references to aircraft specific SOP in our CBA I can't find a single one, but to the company this is all about contract negotiations?
All true HSLD. Sad facts and even sadder that this process has come to having to file for a stay to stop the madness.

Another poster talked about how it must be safe because the FAA said so. They (FAA) say all kinds of things are safe. Oops, make that "legal." Safety is really the responsibility of each pilot, ALPA, and a working relationship with the company to pursue same.

Again, don't know the exact nature of the CBT training. It sounds woefully inadequate based on other reports. If so, it needs to be fixed before something bad happens.

Legal doesn't equate to safe in my mind. No different than a pilot calling KIO for fatigue. Everything is "legal" on paper but there are times when it isn't safe.

The company, however, counts on pilots to be their type A self and do it for free on their own to get up to speed. Charity of that level with the number of significant changes I've heard about is total BS. Company mandated the changes in a vacuum and sold the POI on a minimal expense solution. And, I have no doubt the final version of the training went only as far as they had to to satisfy the POI. Never did the concept of safety or proper training come up in my opinion.

I would be curious to find out what process DAL/NWA went through in this regard. Anyone got any info. Might make a great precedent for the court.

Frats,
Lee
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