[QUOTE=ALPA did a good thing by filing the suit but they lost, so let's move on and get our joint contract.[/QUOTE]


I think it's time to burn this mf'er down !

 

Smilton already beat us to it.

 

I know we have already heard the outcome, but if this doesn't make your blood boil, I'd check your pulse. The company toots it's horn......

UNITED DAILY 09-29-11:

Flight Ops to implement new procedures
We will implement the next phase of our revised flight operations procedures as scheduled as a next step toward obtaining a single operating certificate (SOC) from the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA).

United’s training for its pilots relating to the single operating certificate is safe and professional, and United is a safe airline. The FAA, the federal agency that oversees airline safety, has carefully and professionally reviewed and approved our training.

A federal court in New York today denied a request by the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) master executive council at our UA subsidiary to delay implementation of the new procedures.

As we expected, the court did not agree with union leadership and denied the union leaders’ attempt to delay our single operating certificate. The judge’s ruling said the FAA’s earlier approval of our training plan negated ALPA claims that allowing implementation to proceed as scheduled would jeopardize safety.

“There is nothing in ALPA’s submission to support a finding that the FAA has somehow been negligent in carrying its regulatory mandate,” U.S. District Judge Sterling Johnson, Jr. wrote. “In light of the FAA’s regulatory authority and ongoing oversight of all phases of the United and Continental merger, the court has no choice but to deem the increase[d] risk to safety ALPA alleges as being too ‘remote and speculative’ to lift the union’s TRO application off the ground.”

The judge labeled as “specious” ALPA’s arguments that a System Board of Adjustment (where a grievance is pending on this issue) could not remedy a dispute over this matter.

 

What's the URL for operation orange?

 

OPERATION ORANGE 2011 | Protecting the Flying Public & Restoring the Piloting Profession

 

For they had learned that true safety was to be found in long previous training, and not in eloquent exhortations uttered when they were going into action.

— Thucydides, The History of the Peloponnesian War, c. 404 BC

I’d just like to personally thank the pilots for bringing the suit to the table.
You know back in ’87 after the Challenger disaster, after much hand wringing and brow furrowing, the most probable cause as I remember it was, a cultural shift away from, prove it’s safe then we’ll fly it, to, prove it’s unsafe or we’ll fly it.
The airlines don’t have any original or experienced thinkers left in management that’s long gone to history and of course the FAA never did.
It’s ironic that the airlines recently (the last 40 yrs or so) have looked to NASA (surreptitiously) for baseline guidance in ops areas, basically because they don’t have the knowledge or intellect to do it themselves.
An example was jumping on the NASA bandwagon of Faster, Better Cheaper mantra of the 90’s before they missed Mars twice in a row.
The airlines hung on tight for a while until they could come up with some other motto du jour, and then it quietly died as an endless string have before it (and since), without doing any thing to promote the health or welfare of the business.
I remember over the years in many venues the FAA defending themselves to the NTSB, Committee Hearings, the Press when things went wrong, well we never expected anyone to plan to or operate at the minimums, that’s why we call them the minimums.
The airline management just won’t get it until they have their Challenger.
Don’t give up the fight.