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Old 09-26-2011 | 11:23 AM
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The pilots at the United Airlines subsidiary of merged United Continental Holdings Inc. on Monday sued the airline parent, asking the U.S. District Court in the Eastern District of New York to postpone the company's implementation of its latest phase of revised operating procedures associated with the merger.

Saying they are concerned "that the current level and timeline of training" associated with the new United's bid for a single operating certificate from the Federal Aviation Administration falls short, pilots from the United unit said they are asking the court to put off Friday's deadline for the pilots to complete the second phase of merger training and begin new procedures. The pilots are seeking injunctive relief from the training requirements, the union said in a press release.

In the highly unusual move, the Air Line Pilots Association chapter representing the United aviators said the company is "implementing unrealistic deadlines", according to Capt. Wendy Morse, chairman of the ALPA branch that represents United's 6,000 pilots.
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Old 09-26-2011 | 11:31 AM
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United MEC Asks Federal Court To Issue Stay Of Phase II Training Deadline








The United MEC today asked a federal judge to issue a stay on the Company's September 30 deadline for pilots to complete Phase II SOC training associated with United's application for a Single Operating Certificate. The United MEC filed for injunctive relief in U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of New York in Brooklyn.



The United MEC last week also filed a grievance on behalf of every council regarding issues surrounding Phase II SOC training, particularly the 767 and 777 fleets. (Click Here for more details as published in the September 23, 2011 MEC Update).



The United MEC issued the following press release today:



United Pilots Ask Court To Delay Company’s Merger Integration Procedures Over Safety Concerns



New York, N.Y., September 26, 2011--The United Master Executive Council of the Air Line Pilots Association today filed for injunctive relief in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of New York in Brooklyn to postpone United Airlines’ implementation of the latest phase of revised operating procedures associated with the merger between United and Continental Airlines.



Saying they are concerned that the current level and timeline of training associated with the Company’s bid for a Single Operating Certificate (SOC) from the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) is inadequate, the pilots asked the federal court to issue a stay on the September 30 deadline for pilots to complete the second phase of training and begin new procedures to allow ALPA and United management to either reach a mutually accepted resolution on the training requirements or to resolve the dispute through arbitration prior to implementation of the new procedures scheduled to occur on September 30.



“The safe transport of our passengers has always been the top priority for the pilots of United Airlines. The Air Line Pilots Association was founded on safety, we have set the standard for aviation safety throughout the years, and we are committed to maintaining that record at the new United Airlines,” said Captain Wendy Morse, Chairman of the United MEC. “To maintain that level of safety, all our pilots must be properly trained prior to any implementation of new procedures.”



“The Company is implementing unrealistic deadlines and requiring only distance computer based training that we believe is inadequate to maintain the level of safety our passengers expect from United and its pilots,” Morse added. “For these reasons, we are asking the court to issue a stay on the September 30 deadline so we can work with the Company to come up with a realistic, practical schedule and workable procedures for training or enable the arbitration board to decide the issues while it still has jurisdiction to grant meaningful relief -- before management proceeds unilaterally.



“Ensuring the safe transport of our passengers should be of greater concern to United management than prematurely acquiring a Single Operating Certificate from the FAA that does little until an Integrated Seniority List is achieved. As pilots, we will do everything in our power to ensure that safety at United Airlines is not compromised for the sake of expediency.”



Through the years, ALPA has been an integral part of the safety culture at United Airlines, integrally working alongside management to develop and implement safety rules and procedures. Since the announced merger and the installation of new management, ALPA’s voice in the safety arena has been minimized, at the risk of reducing the safety level for which United Airlines is known.



“Who has a bigger stake in aviation safety than the pilots who fly the airplanes and the passengers who trust us each time they board our flights," asked Captain Morse. “The Company is taking unnecessary chances with our passengers’ safety by not allowing its pilots to have an active role in the planning and implementation of training and development of procedures. We stand ready to work hand-in-hand with United management in developing training and ensuring that United remains among the safest airlines in the world. Failing agreement, we stand ready to arbitrate our dispute prior to implementation of procedures.”
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Old 09-26-2011 | 03:37 PM
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Quote from Skynet:

"United's highest priority is the safety of our co-workers and customers. Our training procedures, which are fully approved and closely monitored by the FAA, meet or exceed safety standards, and we are a safe airline. This lawsuit, by pilot union leadership of one of our two operating subsidiaries' master executive councils, is a shameful effort to influence negotiations for a joint collective bargaining agreement, under a false guise of safety. This lawsuit is entirely without merit, and we fully expect the court will find these claims to be groundless."

If this does not insult your professionalism as a pilot you are dead inside.
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Old 09-26-2011 | 03:42 PM
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I am including some comments from Captain **** *** concerning this “training”. As you may remember *** was a past UAL MEC Central Air Safety Chairman and ALPA National Executive Air Safety Chairman.

“The actual changes being described (in 757/767 phase II) are breathtaking, and I cannot help but wonder how “we,” whoever “we” represents, accepted these changes. We have decades of experience operating these planes safely and efficiently, and I am stunned at how we can throw much of that away as if it never existed. I feel like I am training as new hire at an airline that is using an entirely new way of operating that does not reflect best practice. I sense there will be a lot of heads-down discussion as this activates. Changes that stand out, and bear in mind we are only in Phase 2 . . .

To name but a few . . .
• Recommending leaving autopilot on for wind shear recovery, really? And no sim training for that?
• TCAS responses changed? No sim?
• Green arc gone on end of runway now—how long did it take us to be cycled through TK to get that MCP TDZE procedure activated? All dismissed with a flick of the keyboard? I have to say with a non-precision approach, that was a really nice feature which gave confidence.
• Huge panics over cross-feed management, now acting as if it never happened . . .
• Speed bug setting and flaps procedures changed with no sim training
• T/reverse down to taxi speed now—obviously FOD not been a problem at CAL.
• “Positive climb” is gone—“positive rate” now here—lots of philosophical discussion about that.
• NDB can be flown in VNAV—can I expect to be sent to sim for THAT?

OK—thanks for listening—I am really concerned from so many angles about this. “

**** has more experience than most anyone does on this property in training and safety related matters. If he has a problem with what is going on, there is a problem!
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Old 09-26-2011 | 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Monkeyfly
I am including some comments from Captain **** *** concerning this “training”. As you may remember *** was a past UAL MEC Central Air Safety Chairman and ALPA National Executive Air Safety Chairman.

“The actual changes being described (in 757/767 phase II) are breathtaking, and I cannot help but wonder how “we,” whoever “we” represents, accepted these changes. We have decades of experience operating these planes safely and efficiently, and I am stunned at how we can throw much of that away as if it never existed. I feel like I am training as new hire at an airline that is using an entirely new way of operating that does not reflect best practice. I sense there will be a lot of heads-down discussion as this activates. Changes that stand out, and bear in mind we are only in Phase 2 . . .

To name but a few . . .
• Recommending leaving autopilot on for wind shear recovery, really? And no sim training for that?
• TCAS responses changed? No sim?
• Green arc gone on end of runway now—how long did it take us to be cycled through TK to get that MCP TDZE procedure activated? All dismissed with a flick of the keyboard? I have to say with a non-precision approach, that was a really nice feature which gave confidence.
• Huge panics over cross-feed management, now acting as if it never happened . . .
• Speed bug setting and flaps procedures changed with no sim training
• T/reverse down to taxi speed now—obviously FOD not been a problem at CAL.
• “Positive climb” is gone—“positive rate” now here—lots of philosophical discussion about that.
• NDB can be flown in VNAV—can I expect to be sent to sim for THAT?

OK—thanks for listening—I am really concerned from so many angles about this. “

**** has more experience than most anyone does on this property in training and safety related matters. If he has a problem with what is going on, there is a problem!
How about having the Captain start the engines during pushback? He is busy communicating with the ground crew and looking for the "thumbs up". Who's watching the engine???

The F/O will now sit there doing nothing as the Captain handles EVERYTHING during pushback and engine start. That's a good use of resources.....
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Old 09-26-2011 | 04:53 PM
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How about having the Captain start the engines during pushback? He is busy communicating with the ground crew and looking for the "thumbs up". Who's watching the engine???

The F/O will now sit there doing nothing as the Captain handles EVERYTHING during pushback and engine start. That's a good use of resources.....
On the Airbus it don't matter...
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Old 09-26-2011 | 05:23 PM
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Here's the full text from the bullet points above, all very good points and worth the read. The company's allegation that the request for an injunction based on public safety is somehow tied to CBA negotiations is disappointing , but not surprising. During the past year they've shown that "working together" are just empty words.

So I’m digging into my Phase II “training” fuming over the inadequate resources we’ve been given to do this adequately (again) and I’m thinking, “this is not going to work, 7000 Pilots will be floundering around at the end of the month trying to execute this change”. I put my work on Phase II aside after I complete the first CBT module (getting most questions wrong but “passing” anyway). For the next few days I’m trying to rectify this train wreck in my mind as the deadline approaches.

Recently I picked up Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell. I start it and almost immediately I see a familiar theme. The main treatise of the book is what makes some people successful at what they do and why others may not be as successful. The book makes a compelling argument that individuals that attain 10,000 hours of concentrated work on something (music, computer programming, studies in math, science, law, you name it) are more likely to become not only successful in that subject or field but experts. Then it hits me, every Pilot at this Airline is a successful expert at flying. We are all close to or past that 10,000-hour mark. We all see flying as second nature. That is not to say we don’t stress about it when we are faced with challenges on the line and in the building but our expertise gets us through the challenging flight, or training and checking, most times with above average to excellent performance. In this case, we are being told to accept the added risks imposed on pilots, through what we know is inadequate training, because of managements desire to meet an arbitrary deadline. So that tells me something else important, as professional, expert, pilots our input is being largely ignored by both management and the FAA even though your UAL MEC CASC and Training Committee have been battling with management since day one just to have our experts involved in the process. Relying on what may be pilots’ innate abilities to work through crisis situations does not justify unnecessarily creating those situations in the daily line operations. That is what will result with the Single Operating Certificate Integration training we are getting. The Pilots are the experts but somehow our experience has been cast aside for expedience.

So what about the future? Is this a sustainable model for Pilot training? In a word, no. United Continental Holdings management will probably get obscene bonuses if they meet their deadline but the travelling public will be exposed to unnecessary and greater risk. The consequences of this SOC Integration training will be that we will take longer to all get on the same page. There will be cracks that will have to be filled to insure that we climb back up to the highest level of safety that has historically been the number one priority of United Airlines. As each successive inadequate SOC training phase is piled onto the shoulders of the pilots, the burden will be increased on each of us. The level of standardization that is proven to limit risk will be in a shambles because of this rush to SOC. It is not fair to the Pilots who are basically training themselves as best they can with little or no support. No amount of pay for the training will make “training by bulletin” any better. Even if this management acknowledges that their CBT/PMG/bulletin training takes longer than one hour per phase, it does not make the type of training any more effective. The FAA has stated that if we don’t use the SOP’s that United is changing they will come after us. I asked the VP of Corporate Safety and Security, [name redacted] about the “training” we are getting and what the company’s plan is if they find that we are not absorbing the “training”, he stated that he felt comfortable that if we fall back on our previous procedures it will be safe, as it was safe before. Does anyone else besides me see a problem with this? The head of safety at United Airlines says whatever you do in the aircraft he is comfortable you will be safe but the FAA says they’ll come after you if you don’t follow the new SOP’s?! I can’t emphasize this next point enough, If you need to deviate from SOP during your operations on the line because you were not adequately trained on the new procedures you need to declare an emergency and file an FSAP, an Operations Report, and an ALPA PDR report.

I am including some comments from [name redacted] concerning this “training”. As you may remember [name redacted] was a past UAL MEC Central Air Safety Chairman and ALPA National Executive Air Safety Chairman.

“The actual changes being described (in 757/767 phase II) are breathtaking, and I cannot help but wonder how “we,” whoever “we” represents, accepted these changes. We have decades of experience operating these planes safely and efficiently, and I am stunned at how we can throw much of that away as if it never existed. I feel like I am training as new hire at an airline that is using an entirely new way of operating that does not reflect best practice. I sense there will be a lot of heads-down discussion as this activates. Changes that stand out, and bear in mind we are only in Phase 2 . . .

To name but a few . . .
• Recommending leaving autopilot on for wind shear recovery, really? And no sim training for that?
• TCAS responses changed? No sim?
• Green arc gone on end of runway now—how long did it take us to be cycled through TK to get that MCP TDZE procedure activated? All dismissed with a flick of the keyboard? I have to say with a non-precision approach, that was a really nice feature which gave confidence.
• Huge panics over cross-feed management, now acting as if it never happened . . .
• Speed bug setting and flaps procedures changed with no sim training
• T/reverse down to taxi speed now—obviously FOD not been a problem at CAL.
• “Positive climb” is gone—“positive rate” now here—lots of philosophical discussion about that.
• NDB can be flown in VNAV—can I expect to be sent to sim for THAT?

OK—thanks for listening—I am really concerned from so many angles about this. “

Rory has more experience than most anyone does on this property in training and safety related matters. If he has a problem with what is going on, there is a problem!

So what can we do to help insure that the company understands that the “training” we are getting will not cut it? FSAP, FSAP, FSAP, followed by PDR reports on the ALPA website. Be specific about the training issues you are encountering. In the meantime, while we wait for UCH and FAA to come to their senses watch out for each other and rely on your expertise as Pilots. Document all safety issues with FSAP and PDR. Your expertise and your professionalism just may be enough to save this Airline from its management one more time.

Protect your crew, your passengers, and your aircraft. You are the best Pilots in the industry; you should have no doubt of that.

[name redacted]

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Old 09-26-2011 | 06:10 PM
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I realize this whole SOC training process is more painful depending upon the aircraft in question. The company's "diversion" tactic is nothing other than that. Legal positioning and media centric in their "position" on the topic.

I applaud UALALPA for taking this position.

Granted, all UAL aviators are highly experienced and capable of many things pertaining to changes in procedures. While I'm not there and can't say I know all the issues, I can say it sounds from what I've read like the FAA and POI are a bunch of idiots when it comes to this issue. Then again, Colgan is a safe airline to fly based on the FAA.......

When things like PRM or CDAP came into the equation, I remember having a final qual sim after doing all the studying and CBT requirements before being signed off. In this case, seeing all UAL normal procedures change to this extent, to me, would require a stint at TK to ensure everything is safe.

Oh, that costs money...............

Safety is but an inconvenience to these morons. Good on Wendy and the UAL MEC filing this injunction. Time to stop the absent minded goals of the company when they roll over the very goal of every ALPA pilot. Safety first.

UAL ALPA didn't fire the first shot. They engaged the company numerous times. The company got what they asked for a deserved.

Don't let the company's spin reduce your sight picture on safety.

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Originally Posted by LeeFXDWG

Don't let the company's spin reduce your sight picture on safety.
Remember how the UAL safety culture became agnostic and cooperative after the SFO 747 incident? ALPA and the UAL management worked hand-in-hand to do what was right with respect to safety, no politics. It was truly something to be proud of as a UA pilot and despite contractual disputes that were going on at the time, UA and ALPA were partners in safety. UA management invested big bucks in safety/procedures training because they saw the benefit of increasing the margins of safety throughout the system.

By all appearances, the cooperative safety culture has been gutted and corporate cost savings have become the driving force behind everything UAL is doing. A pilot license belongs to a pilot, not the company - protect yours.

I wonder how well the UA MEC will do presenting all the references to aircraft specific SOP in our CBA I can't find a single one, but to the company this is all about contract negotiations?

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Old 09-27-2011 | 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by HSLD
By all appearances, the cooperative safety culture has been gutted and corporate cost savings have become the driving force behind everything UAL is doing.
There is cooperative culture--on time checks continue to flow. There are pockets of highly competent safety awareness at most levels of ops, but corporately it's essentially "how much will this cost?"

Their response to this lawsuit says it all. "Our training procedures, which are fully approved and closely monitored by the FAA, meet or exceed safety standards, and we are a safe airline." This is the classic "the FAA hasn't shut us down, ergo, we are by definition safe." Sound familiar? It's what Colgan said after the Buffalo accident. It's a lawyer's definition.

Line CAs in right seat? Must be safe since the FAA allows it.
Coach rest seats? Must be safe since the FAA allows it.
Eight hour rest? Must be safe since the FAA allows it.
Train by CBT? Must be safe since the FAA allows it.

The FAA is in the business of preventing the last accident. A safety culture is organic to the organization itself and is focused on preventing the next one.

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