Originally Posted by
acl65pilot
Carl;
If they ignored it, isn't that grounds for recall? I do not think it was ignored. What I see as the issue there is it is caught up in the committee that the reps created to deal with it. When they talk about it once a quarter it get stuck between a lot of other pressing issues, and as a result no major action has been taken on it. Hold your reps feet to the fire. I know that they are in favor of it.
Hilarious! If ALPA survives this vote, they need to repay you with a lifetime membership in the inner circle of Flight Pay Loss volunteers and administrators. I've not seen anyone shill and excuse like you've just done. It just got stuck? Unbelievable.
Originally Posted by
acl65pilot
I also have a hard time calling ALPA a vendor when it is made up of people that pay for the service. A Vendor is a third party which you pay for.
I work with my vendors all the time to try and make them better vendors. I do this while I pay them. If they're not good vendors, they're fired. Happens every day. Except in this group where thus far, pilots excuse poor results and a representational relationship that has a massive conflict of interest with our direct competitors.
Originally Posted by
acl65pilot
I see the problem is that too many pilots see ALPA as a vendor and do not engage, as a result we are where we are. Our dues are not like country club dues, engagement in the process and a need for volunteers is not just requested but required. That difference in semantics is the crux of the problem.
You're too smart a person to actually believe this is all about semantics. I know you don't believe that. You couldn't. Because of that you just come off as a shameless apologist for a union that has stabbed it's own members in the back (TWA), ignored our resolutions (FPL), and tried to break the union of its own internal employees. I just don't know how you can do it. I know you want to reach that ALPA inner sanctum more than anything, but I just don't know how you can ignore what you ignore.
Carl