Thread: Logging time and Airline Interviews
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Old 10-27-2011 | 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
Say wha? So you're saying I can't log PIC any time I had the self loading cargo in the back seat (who happens to be an IP)? Dudes just sitting back there catching some Z's, drooling all over himself...
You sound like a fighter guy. I'm more comfortable offering specific opinions on logging fighter time. I was responding to the OP who appears to be a tanker guy with some general advice.

Responding to your more specific question:
It's not my call and it doesn't have to pass the common sense test. An airline can choose whatever criteria they want for PIC time. You have to be able to honestly answer whatever questions they might have about the time you logged and how you categorized it relative to their rules. For the small number of sorties in most pilot's careers that might fall into these gray areas, I would tend to err to the side of caution. Then you don't have to worry about integrity questions on your flight times - that probably tends to make an otherwise solid interview extremely unpleasant.

You can apply a little common sense to the realities of Aforms or ARMS or whatever they're called these days. Unless things have changes, there's no real documentation depicting the presence of an IP on a D-model CT sortie. You may have been flying that tub around empty as far as the official records are concerned. So, unless you keep a log book with details of who was in your pit on specific sorties then you can do whatever your integrity can handle. However, it's not like we're probably talking about a significant number of sorties - so why risk it.

There are plenty of former fighter pilots involved in the hiring process at their airlines. If I was looking at an F-15 pilot's application to my airline and I see that he has logged every hour of D-model time he's flown as PIC, then we're going to have a problem and I'm probably going to dig a little harder. We all know there are a small number of sorties in FTU that require an IP. As a former FTU IP myself, I know most two-seaters are in demand for syllabus sorties that require them. So, chances are, most or all of a pilot's D-model time during FTU is dual received with an IP on board. Many bases (especially overseas) send a new guy up in a tub for his first ride in theater. If a guy had a long layoff (reflected by a gap in his sortie dates in ARMS), he's going to need to regain landing currency with an IP. So, the bottom line is that you never know who is going to be looking at your times and what level of "SA" they're going to have about your former life. If you had an IP on your aircraft (drooling or not) and that fact can be documented or indirectly substantiated with other information, then it's probably best to leave those times off your PIC total.

As a side not: Perhaps it's an old school kind of philosophy but if an IP in my squadron is "drooling" in the back seat and just using up LOX, then he shouldn't be an IP. If the front-seater isn't asking for feedback in the debrief (as he should), I would expect that IP to offer instruction, when appropriate, on every sortie in which he participates.
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