Originally Posted by
flyn2001
Too confusing for me...i'm just a pilot! We don't log Secondary in the T-6. My SARMS heads would explode all over our step desk if I tried.
But you could - that's one of the reasons it exists. In the C130 world, a navigator could log secondary if the instructor leaves him in the seat and demos something from standing up. Instructor still logs IN time, the student logs secondary time, and the instructor is able to log the training event.
Originally Posted by
flyn2001
Been this way since before my time!
Ahh, I love the military! We do dumb things in my community too...because that's how we've always done them.
The bane of the military is institutional inertia and that it favors conformity over uniqueness. Doesn't make anything right.
Originally Posted by
flyn2001
Until the Mil goes to PIC/SIC or the FAA goes to Pri/Sec/Other, I'll stick to the norm of what my MDS community does...my FHR has all the info I need. We fly WAY more student sorties in the T-6 than CT sorties anyway.
No doubt CT is a small portion of your overall total. Probably a good discussion at the PAD meetings if you want to get booed out of the room.
Originally Posted by
flyn2001
What about heavy guys (IP) logging all IP time when on a local sortie with some ACs/FPs/CPs doing AR/LL's etc? When I was a qualified C-17 AC, I would split the Pri/Sec/Other w/ all the other qualified dudes, while the IP logged all IP time?
Heavy time can be messy, and it's just as wrong there too if misused. I've been put on a sortie simply to baby-sit a young crew, and the CC/DO intent is for me to instruct them even though they are current. So, as I said before, there are times it is appropriate. I can instruct standing up and have two guys in the seats and not have the A-code. If anything goes wrong, I hang first, so I have the defacto A-code. Is that PIC time? (rhetorical question)
As for just logging IP time when everyone is current and I wasn't put on specifically to babysit, well, I'm not saying I've never done it, but more often than not, it's to make the 781 easier (that also doesn't make it right) at 0300 after a 6.5 training sortie. It's messy. Very messy.
When I was in AETC, granted at the FTU, not UPT, the very rare CT was logged as MP pri/sec unless we were conducting sim-EPs or one of us was non-current for something.
As far as converting military time into civilian time for airline applications purposes, my approach has been to take TOTAL - OTHER - Co-pilot and then multiply all remaining time by something like 70% based on the MDS I was in at the time. It is easy to explain the various percentages I use per MDS and they are all conservative. I have not used any of the .2/.3 per sortie additions because, so far, I have more than enough time for anyone I've wanted to apply to.