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Old 11-12-2011 | 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
The big beef I have with both you and Carl, is you both think if we just set an objective of XX, then we can achieve it, without any consideration of the negotiating environment, economic environment, financial strength of Delta, industry peer group, etc. etc. etc.
That is a mischaracterization of what both I and Carl have said. Go back and read what I've written with regards to objectives. What I am clearly saying is that the lack of setting and communicating the objective is a recipe for failure (or a dishonest way of hiding a very low objective, which would cause a major revolt with the pilot group). You are twisting my words into something I clearly did not say.


Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
I have my own goals and objectives; but I am also a realist. If we can achieve those --- great. If it becomes obvious we cannot, I'd rather take something than nothing.
I'd have to see just how little that "something" is before I would agree to sign off on it. Sometimes, it is better to take nothing than to torpedo your objective.

Try this analogy. (It may not be perfect, but I think it makes the point.) Let's say I'm a car dealer and I have a car with a sticker price of $28,000. Let's say my dealer cost for that car is $18,000. A customer offers me $500 for the car, take it or leave it. He absolutely will not pay more... that's his final offer. Do I sell the car for $500? Or do I let him walk, and wait for another day and sell the car for a price it should realistically sell for? If I sell the car for $500, I'll have $500 that I wouldn't otherwise have but I'll also do tremendous damage to my value and credibility as a car dealer. Not to mention the fact that I made an incredibly foolish deal that loses a ton of money for me! I'm thinking my salesman on this deal, Mr. Pinneaple Guy, would have a very short career at DAL 88 Driver Motors!

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
As the APA strategy is now entering the final stages, all of you that were so proud of them standing firm, really need to reassess the strategy of "standing firm until i get what I want". In the end, APA stood firm, but NEVER got what they wanted.
Well, maybe the timing and/or some of the circumstances were different for APA? Maybe some of their tactics were not very effective. It doesn't mean their objective was bad/unachievable and their commitment to their objective was unwarranted and/or inappropriate.
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