I don't think there are too many pilots who will vote yes to a T/A that doesn't AT LEAST match our 737 rates to SWA's 737 rates, and then go up from there. I think that's what I put on my Survey, ie. SWA + for our 737's. That's the simple part. But it's all those other details that will get the yes/no votes.

I've been p/o'd at National ALPA since they signed off on the B scale, which at the time, only American, a NON-ALPA carrier had! National could have 'drawn a line in the sand' (I can't even say that with a straight face!) way back then, and put a quick end to it back then, but instead they let that cancer into all ALPA contracts. They are completely unwilling to call for a SOS for...anything, not loss of retirements, or getting rid of Lorenzo, or...? and without that, they are a paper tiger, and Management knows it.

Now, how is any -new- organization going to be any better? They going to call a SOS?? And who's going to answer that call? And when the judge tells us to resume flying, are we going to say HELL NO, and go to jail?

Absent that conviction, we are pretty much screwed, and Management knows it, so does LM, that's what drives his "let's all just get along" strategy. I don't like it, but that's the political reality we all face.