Originally Posted by
ualratt
TWeenie, you crack me up. Here is your original question. Look for the sentence with the "?" mark in there.
I could imagine Lee's post reinforcing what I thought you already knew, so from your question I assumed you were looking for more ammo to fight your battle. That's what "other employee groups" mean to me. I think most pilots would have gone out of their way to help you a long time ago if they knew that was what you were looking for.
What would really be entertaining is to be down in ground crew's lunch room listening, as you explain Lee's stuff to the guy who is always trying to cut you off with his baggage cart hauler at the intersection of taxiway A7 and the service road. You know the one...
Brother you need to apologize to this group for leading us down the wrong track

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I'm not seeing any ambiguity in my question. It refers to the $/hour from the previous paragraph that was taken in the second round of pay cuts that pilots, GA's, Ramp, F/As and mechanics took in 2004. Can you tell me how you misinterpreted my post? If I already knew the answers to these questions, why would I ask? And if you knew, why didn't you answer
I'm not planning on fighting any battles. I just want to have facts on hand when folks from the other represented employee groups start with their comments about pilots expecting an inordinately large piece of the pie. This is in direct response to mister smisek's comments at one of the CEO Exchanges about how he can't give us what we expect because he'd have to give the others less than they expect. This is, as we know, a blatant fabrication, that's what they will remember. they will forget about how we sacrificed back then. They need reminding, and I prefer to have facts that I can show or quote.
My original post got me tried, convicted and condemned in the court of creative and imaginative opinion that runs so rampant among pilots.
Some have insinuated that:
I'm among a group of pansy pilots (hell, my wife isn't even a pansy)
That I might be one of those "over 60 guys" (nope, but I plan on being one. A guy that LIVES past 60, that is, not necessarily FLYs past 60, but who knows...if every under-60 pilot will PROMISE to quit at 60, so will I)
That I am unfairly disregarding other factors (and that pilot further accepted my offer to buy him or her a beer once back on the line, but then said that it didn't look like "us guys" aren't in a hurry to make the job worth coming back to, which is precisely what I AM trying to do. Thanks for that. Beer's back on you)
That I am preparing some sort of argument (nope, just facts)
That my actions could very well have contributed to fellow pilots being forced to take a 100% pay cuts (***???? Kind of an all-encompassing insinuation)
That I remain anonymous (untrue; I have identified myself at least one time)
That the 85-100+ hr block holders, vacation buy backers, junior /senior manners, etc. are well known amongst [us] (Really?? Does this guy spend his life looking up other pilots' CALRECs? You might want to take a look at mine...I got 88 & change in DEC. I flew Thanksgiving, will fly 6 days over Christmas while plan an "airline holiday" with my 84 & 87 year old parents. Think I bid for that, or picked up time? I try and drop time every month. I still have a life at 57)
Listen, there are none among us more angry than me. We all lost. I lost more cash value in 5 years of B-Scale, accrued pension flushed, and myriad other things than most furloughees. IOW, we ALL lost. I've got a very close friend whom is a double furloughee. I hope he's not faking that he's actually my friend whilst bashing me anonymously on this thread, especially after the things I've done for him.
But that isn't what my post was about. It was about percentages, nothing more or less. But again, I thank those whom were able to give me info unfettered by emotion.
The pilots of UA/CO really need to direct their ƥɪʂʂ & vinegar at management instead of turning it on each other. Get the fʋçƙ past the Sr vs Jr, Old vs Young, Widebody vs Narrowbody thing already. There isn't one old senior widebody pilot that wasn't a young, junior narrowbody pilot at one time.
TW