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Old 12-07-2011 | 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Don't mean to speak for The Manager here, but what it means to me is getting upwards of 95 hours of pay per month on the highest position you can hold plus a $1,000 stipend plus a credit card for your expenses - funded by management. After a while it can become easy to identify with the people who pay you instead of the people you represent. Especially when they come to your children's parties.

Thanks for the civil reply. Here's my take; ALPA is not required to reimburse management for certain union FPL due 24J in our PWA, including FPL for our elected voting LEC reps to attended MEC meeting. Management's concurrence of our LEC reps or designated pilots actions are not relevant to whether ALPA has to reimburse management for their FPL under 24J.

Additionally, the individuals who are elected or appointed to these positions are accountable directly to Delta pilots either through LEC elections, or indirectly by our pilot elected LEC reps. If you want one of these 24J positions, you have to win the vote of our pilots or our pilots elected reps and have their confidence that you represent the pilot's interests.

I see no accountability to management in 24J. The pilots at FDX I believe have 24J and perhaps even the Alaska pilots. The pilot groups with the best pay in ALPA have 24J, the pilot groups with the highest SMRA balance have 24J, the pilot groups like UAL are dependent on grants and the MCF at this time with all the strings attached.

I don't think they were then. Now we have "constructive engagement", very close personal relationships with management, a post bankruptcy history of more outsourcing and a refusal to open the books on this FPL money. At the very least, you must admit this has a very bad smell.

Carl
My copies of DAL contracts going back to 1990 have essentially the same language in 24J. That's as far back as my records go, but I believe that we've had it for 3 decades, but I can't verify that.

Throughout that time we've had various forms of relationships with management, some good, some bad, some openly hostile, some catapulted us to the top of the industry in pay and benefits, others not so good, but 24J was never an issue with regards to our relationship with management since it has always been a contractual obligation. Because of 24J we have a large SMRA account, we have a great deal of autonomy and more resources than other ALPA MEC's or independent pilot groups.

I get what you are saying about outsourcing and parties, but those aren't related to 24J. And I hear what you are saying about our current leadership. You don't like it, you don't like them, I get that, but that is not about whether 24 J is a valuable union resource. Another not so perfect analogy, but it's not the fishing boat (24J) that you smell, it's the fish (leadership) in the boat that you aren't particularly fond of. That in my mind is a different argument.

If your dream team came to power, I'm sure you would find 24J a useful resource to help fund a robust union operation. Once again thanks for the civility.
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