You know what Carl, it is precisely this kind of circle jerk that keeps me mostly away from this thread, and not surprisingly, disinterested in DPA. You have so much hate and vitriol in your heart for anything ALPA that all you can see is ANYTHING else regardless of merits or the dysfunction of DPA. Maybe I am a little over the top in this issue, but I am in single A ball, and you are in Yankee stadium when it comes to being out there. At least I can admit it. So I'll give you the last word since there is obviously no way that you would EVER believe anything I have to say. I certainly believe nothing you say anymore.