It is one of their points. But I don't speak for DPA. I'm just a line pilot who also vigorously supports the idea of an in-house union comprised of only Delta pilots who fight for the interests of Delta pilots.

I don't hate ALPA at all. I've been a member for 33 years, and proud of it for 20 or so. Now I'm embarrassed to be a member of ALPA and ashamed of what they've done (with my dues money) to the TWA pilots and to their own in-house union of clerical employees. Shame and embarrassment is not hate. If there's any attempt at clouding a discussion and its associated logic, it's being done by you for accusing me of hate in order to marginalize my fact based opinions.

One could argue that your blind love for ALPA clouds your ability to see wrong when it's happening right in front of you.

It can be bad if the wrong people are in place in management and the wrong people are in place in your union. In this case, it's a recipe for misrepresentation and identification with management. I think the evidence is clear that this is what's happening now at our airline.

That's correct. But if pay was increased by the exact same amount, pilot's higher dues would be exacty offset by their increased compensation. Then our representatives would be paid from dues of the represented...not by management.

No, ALPA has put itself there. I'm just pointing it out.

Carl