Originally Posted by
NERD
Not what I meant. I think ALPA has failed but so has every other pilot group the last 25-30 years.
That's really not correct. ALPA was a union 25-30 years ago. Many huge gains were made by pilot groups who fought hard - including strikes by Northwest, United, Eastern, etc. I agree ALPA is failing badly today, but it wasn't always that way.
Originally Posted by
NERD
APA brought us the b-scale, voluntary paycuts in 2003,
Absolutely correct. Also, APA brought us the wholesale outsourcing of jobs with Eagle RJ's.
Originally Posted by
NERD
Swapa brought us undercutting wages to support the growth and by default they are on top,
Absolutely incorrect. I used to think the same thing about SWAPA's contracts. The reality is that they've darn near always had a great contract and great pay. It's just that the thing was so complex (to us based on our ALPA contracts) that many of us didn't understand just how much these guys were bringing home. Smart on their part, lazy on our part to not know and assume the worst.
Originally Posted by
NERD
and Usapa, don't get me started. Not to mention all the jetblues, virgins, skybus, etc, etc that have undercut us and used the "we are new and can't expect a legacies pay and work rules excuse", "after we grow we will get that".
Yup. Agreed.
Originally Posted by
NERD
All they have done is put pressure on us. So when y'all want to point out ALPAs faults, at least be fair and acknowledge that they are not alone in the destruction of our careers.
You're correct again, but now we have to focus on how to get ourselves out. What's ALPA/DALPA's plan? Absolutely no discussion whatsoever on reversing scope decay, and plenty of discussion as to why management can't afford to "give us" C2K restoration. No release of any survey data, no chance of our opener being released to us after it's exchanged with management, and no chance for a transcript of the meetings on scope with our direct RJ competitors. This is a recipe for disaster when we see the TA.
Carl