Originally Posted by
Slammer
Hoss, the growing and shrinking was happening years Before the merger and continues because CAL has orders and new routes etc.. Until we get a combined list and JCBA, the company cannot spread the flying evenly amongst the two subsidiary. Our current contract will not allow them but so much flexibility with the block hour ratios. As far as staple,UA furloughed guys with recall rights to UA coming to L-CAL, I don't understand your point? Place them ahead of CAL guys on property. If those guys go back to L-UA, assuming a recall...where will most involuntary furloughs go...bottom of your list....as it should be. Why the difference?
You are absolutely correct on JCBA and ISL...as the real fix but of course, not everybody will be happy with that either
Slammer,
Your post is a little bit of a shotgun, but I'll try to respond. As a Vol Furlough, if I had accepted a job offer at CAL, given both are ALPA, yes, I'd expect my DOH and longevity regarding all aspects of the offer. Simple pay adjustment doesn't truly reflect that seniority at UAL. Seniority should be much more than about pay. Not to degrade the pay of junior but rather to enhance the good things. You think it's okay for me to suck the bottom of the schedule when I've given way more to UCH than you probably have. Accept treatment as a NH when I was flying airplanes before your youngest FO was born. Give me a serious break.
As to invol UAL furloughs, the ISL will decide, but they've given way more than your most junior pilot has ever envisioned.
CAL guys have no idea really what UAL folks have been through. We obviously haven't lived your life either. Having said that, this is one company with regards to the operation even though the entities are divided.
Getting 12 year pay to pull gear for some "kid" by taking a CAL job offer isn't in my personal horizon. And, I left knowing the merger was going to happen by the obvious "right sizing" of the airline by parking UAL aircraft to ensure not having to deal with divesting assets to secure DOJ approval.
In a perfect world, we'd have a real union and a national seniority list. But, making the folks that took the "job offer" which should never be confused with a recall, start at the bottom of your list at what was UAL and now UCH subsidiary is wrong. Most of them have paid their "dues" well over the required amount.
No more wrong than any whipsaw action taken by the company regarding PS or any other issue in the TPA progression.
You see. Wrong is wrong. I left for many reasons. It doesn't mean I don't reserve my right to return.....on my terms. So while you see some pilot taking a position offered under the TPA as a gift to that individual, I see it as an insult given the conditions of the offer......and that pilot that takes said position is giving their service generating revenue to the new combined corporate entity. And, taking it up the arse at the same time.
So, in summary, as a Vol Furlough, I will not go to the bottom of UAL if recalled, nor to the bottom of the ISL whenever that comes. I will also never accept a job on the CAL side given your POS contract that has draconian work rules and to sit there watching you pontificate on issue x,y, or z, from your position of perceived dominance. I'll come back to my seniority number. It is mine and will equate to whatever the arbitration board decides after the JCBA is inked and the obvious ISL arbitration that comes after makes its final decision.
Frats,
Lee