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Old 02-08-2007 | 10:04 AM
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SAN-PHX (massive tailwind) 190+ in a 172
PHX-SAN (massive headwind w/ lee side mountain downdraft, Vx climb) ATC asks what type aircraft, I respond CE-172, ATC says "Oh. You're doing about 10 knots GS"

Sometimes it would take an hour or more to push through that downdraft, in a Vy or Vx climb.
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