Originally Posted by
Scut Farkus
Enterprise,
Could you provide the Date of Hires of the TWA pilots flying Captain way out of Seniority Please?
Are they 1988 hires and senior to that flying Way Junior on the list, or are you saying that all the TWA pilots were stapled with a April 2001 hire date and they are out of Seniority flying Captain???
Never seen a seniority list that Supplement CC was modified off of, if you could get one I would love to see it.
Skut
It depends by what you mean by "out of seniority."
IMO, they are not flying CA out of seniority. Here's why: TWA CA jobs are protected under the terms of Supplement CC, which guarantees a certain number of CA jobs in STL based on a ratio of DFW and ORD CA jobs. If DFW/ORD CA jobs go up, so do STL CA jobs. If they shrink, so does STL.
So, in essence, TWA pilots have their own seniority list in STL. A pilot hired at TWA in 1988 carries around a 7500 AA seniority number, and has the seniority to fly as CA but only based out of STL, the protected cell. Otherwise, a 7500 seniority at AA is approx. 2000 numbers away from holding an AA CA position anywhere else in the system.
That's why you'll hear some natives whining about them flying out of seniority. They aren't. They are simply upgrading based on their protected seniority list.
Approximately 1100 TWA pilots got slotted in at 1:8 (1 TWA pilot per 8 AA pilots) and approx. 1300 TWA pilots got stapled representing about 46% integrated, 54% stapled. The TWA Date of Hire cutoff between integrated vs stapled is 1989.