Us/aa sli
#232
Ha, great question. We will let you know in about a year!
As usual we received no clarity on this issue with today's release of the MOU. There are a lot of ambiguities in some of the wording. We do know that MB will be the mechanism for resolving the AA/LCC seniority. The question is still out there which list or lists will be submitted by USAPA. Will there be one list or two lists? Logic would suggest to you that USAPA will submit separate lists for east and west and take their chances with a three way. I don't really have anything more to offer until I go to a roadshow on the MOU and we ask the lawyers.
The NIC may or may not still be in play. It certainly was not mentioned, although only a few would really believe that such a controversial topic would have been part of the MOU. We will have to wait a while until the merger is announced and the JCBA process starts. Remember, the SLI will be done after the JCBA is done. And if you look at the timeline for things to happen I believe the APA will be the sole bargaining agent for everyone at the SLI point.
As usual we received no clarity on this issue with today's release of the MOU. There are a lot of ambiguities in some of the wording. We do know that MB will be the mechanism for resolving the AA/LCC seniority. The question is still out there which list or lists will be submitted by USAPA. Will there be one list or two lists? Logic would suggest to you that USAPA will submit separate lists for east and west and take their chances with a three way. I don't really have anything more to offer until I go to a roadshow on the MOU and we ask the lawyers.
The NIC may or may not still be in play. It certainly was not mentioned, although only a few would really believe that such a controversial topic would have been part of the MOU. We will have to wait a while until the merger is announced and the JCBA process starts. Remember, the SLI will be done after the JCBA is done. And if you look at the timeline for things to happen I believe the APA will be the sole bargaining agent for everyone at the SLI point.
US Airways agrees that neither this Memorandum nor the JCBA shall provide a basis for changing the seniority lists currently in effect at US Airways other than through the process set forth in this Paragraph 10.
You seem fairly rational, so I bring it up merely for discussion, as I am sure that the question will be answered definitively in the road shows.
Does this imply a three way or not? Notice the s on the word lists.
Furthermore, I think it is a very smart play to include this in an MOU. If Nic is used and the vote is yes from USAirways, it is going to be very hard to sue. Majority rule kind of thing.
If a three way is used, and the vote is yes from USAirways, it is going to be very hard to successfully sue--Majority rules kind of thing AND likely no union left to sue with USAPA gone and APA not a party to the agreement.
Then again, I may be way off base, as i haven't been as involved as some on here.
#233
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Joined APC: May 2005
Position: B777/CA retired
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How do you read this part of the agreement:
US Airways agrees that neither this Memorandum nor the JCBA shall provide a basis for changing the seniority lists currently in effect at US Airways other than through the process set forth in this Paragraph 10.
You seem fairly rational, so I bring it up merely for discussion, as I am sure that the question will be answered definitively in the road shows.
Does this imply a three way or not? Notice the s on the word lists.
Furthermore, I think it is a very smart play to include this in an MOU. If Nic is used and the vote is yes from USAirways, it is going to be very hard to sue. Majority rule kind of thing.
If a three way is used, and the vote is yes from USAirways, it is going to be very hard to successfully sue--Majority rules kind of thing AND likely no union left to sue with USAPA gone and APA not a party to the agreement.
Then again, I may be way off base, as i haven't been as involved as some on here.
US Airways agrees that neither this Memorandum nor the JCBA shall provide a basis for changing the seniority lists currently in effect at US Airways other than through the process set forth in this Paragraph 10.
You seem fairly rational, so I bring it up merely for discussion, as I am sure that the question will be answered definitively in the road shows.
Does this imply a three way or not? Notice the s on the word lists.
Furthermore, I think it is a very smart play to include this in an MOU. If Nic is used and the vote is yes from USAirways, it is going to be very hard to sue. Majority rule kind of thing.
If a three way is used, and the vote is yes from USAirways, it is going to be very hard to successfully sue--Majority rules kind of thing AND likely no union left to sue with USAPA gone and APA not a party to the agreement.
Then again, I may be way off base, as i haven't been as involved as some on here.
As I said before we will have to see how this goes down. I don't have any bold projections and anyone on the west side that does is talking out his ***. I am anxiously waiting the roadshow, I think we will have a little more clarity after they are done.
#234
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Joined APC: Mar 2010
Position: EMB 145 FO
Posts: 32
Does the MOU include Eagle Aircraft? All of the ERJs and CRJs are now owned by American Airlines..is there a carve out for those aircraft? I haven't read the MOU in whole but from what I've heard it states that APA fly all aircraft owned by American Airlines. where do the eagle pilots come into play?
#235
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2005
Position: B777/CA retired
Posts: 1,485
Does the MOU include Eagle Aircraft? All of the ERJs and CRJs are now owned by American Airlines..is there a carve out for those aircraft? I haven't read the MOU in whole but from what I've heard it states that APA fly all aircraft owned by American Airlines. where do the eagle pilots come into play?
#236
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