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Old 01-16-2013, 12:43 PM
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you dont fly much do you. you may have missed the law that passed on integration due to the apa integration of twa.
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Old 01-16-2013, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by cactusmike View Post
Ha, great question. We will let you know in about a year!

As usual we received no clarity on this issue with today's release of the MOU. There are a lot of ambiguities in some of the wording. We do know that MB will be the mechanism for resolving the AA/LCC seniority. The question is still out there which list or lists will be submitted by USAPA. Will there be one list or two lists? Logic would suggest to you that USAPA will submit separate lists for east and west and take their chances with a three way. I don't really have anything more to offer until I go to a roadshow on the MOU and we ask the lawyers.

The NIC may or may not still be in play. It certainly was not mentioned, although only a few would really believe that such a controversial topic would have been part of the MOU. We will have to wait a while until the merger is announced and the JCBA process starts. Remember, the SLI will be done after the JCBA is done. And if you look at the timeline for things to happen I believe the APA will be the sole bargaining agent for everyone at the SLI point.
How do you read this part of the agreement:

US Airways agrees that neither this Memorandum nor the JCBA shall provide a basis for changing the seniority lists currently in effect at US Airways other than through the process set forth in this Paragraph 10.

You seem fairly rational, so I bring it up merely for discussion, as I am sure that the question will be answered definitively in the road shows.

Does this imply a three way or not? Notice the s on the word lists.

Furthermore, I think it is a very smart play to include this in an MOU. If Nic is used and the vote is yes from USAirways, it is going to be very hard to sue. Majority rule kind of thing.

If a three way is used, and the vote is yes from USAirways, it is going to be very hard to successfully sue--Majority rules kind of thing AND likely no union left to sue with USAPA gone and APA not a party to the agreement.

Then again, I may be way off base, as i haven't been as involved as some on here.
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:10 PM
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How do you read this part of the agreement:

US Airways agrees that neither this Memorandum nor the JCBA shall provide a basis for changing the seniority lists currently in effect at US Airways other than through the process set forth in this Paragraph 10.

You seem fairly rational, so I bring it up merely for discussion, as I am sure that the question will be answered definitively in the road shows.

Does this imply a three way or not? Notice the s on the word lists.

Furthermore, I think it is a very smart play to include this in an MOU. If Nic is used and the vote is yes from USAirways, it is going to be very hard to sue. Majority rule kind of thing.

If a three way is used, and the vote is yes from USAirways, it is going to be very hard to successfully sue--Majority rules kind of thing AND likely no union left to sue with USAPA gone and APA not a party to the agreement.

Then again, I may be way off base, as i haven't been as involved as some on here.
We are not sure yet. The most you can say about that line is that there will be no list reordering until the AA/LCC SLI is done. Which kind of restates that the Bond McCaskill will be the integration method used. What it does mean is that the question of the Nicolau is postponed until the SLI negotiations begin. The thinking out here is that the company lawyers carefully crafted this to tiptoe around the Nicolau minefield and buy the East vote. No Nic- vote yes on the east side.

As I said before we will have to see how this goes down. I don't have any bold projections and anyone on the west side that does is talking out his ***. I am anxiously waiting the roadshow, I think we will have a little more clarity after they are done.
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:21 PM
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Does the MOU include Eagle Aircraft? All of the ERJs and CRJs are now owned by American Airlines..is there a carve out for those aircraft? I haven't read the MOU in whole but from what I've heard it states that APA fly all aircraft owned by American Airlines. where do the eagle pilots come into play?
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:50 PM
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Does the MOU include Eagle Aircraft? All of the ERJs and CRJs are now owned by American Airlines..is there a carve out for those aircraft? I haven't read the MOU in whole but from what I've heard it states that APA fly all aircraft owned by American Airlines. where do the eagle pilots come into play?
You will have to wait and see the fleet lists that will be part of Appendix A. My guess is that Eagle will be part of the allowed regional flying but beyond that we will have to see. The trend seems be going to a mix of wholly owned and contract flying.
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Old 01-18-2013, 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by buddies8 View Post
you dont fly much do you. you may have missed the law that passed on integration due to the apa integration of twa.
The impetus for the law was the APFA integration (or non integration) of the TWA FAs.
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