Misty, if you are going to enter a discussion, you should do so with facts. There is no question that the RAH contract is below par. What you fail to acknowledge...one must assume intentionally, to take the thread off topic...is that the contract that RAH is currently operating under was negotiated by Local 747 under the OLD LEADERSHIP of the Airline Division and the leadership of Local 747 was removed for cause and the Local was broken up and dissolved by the NEW LEADERSHIP of the Airline Division. You also failed to note...again intentionally, one must assume...that the Local 747 leadership included former RAH pilot leadership that was in bed with the now dissolved Local 747 leadership. And they too were tossed out by their pilots.

So...if you are going to talk about being out of touch with reality, please have the common sense to know that there are people out here with the ability to present facts as they relate to the questions Cub is asking.

Are they still under that CBA? Yes. Why? Because during Section 6, not only did they request of the IBT to have their own Local (granted), their holding company also purchased 3 other carriers. A decision was made to first integrate all 4 seniority lists so that the group could proceed as a single unit negotiating a single, combined CBA.

Now...merging two lists is enough fun to last anyone a lifetime. Merging FOUR lists...including one where the pilots had been essentially dumped on the curb by their union (Midwest by ALPA), is even more "fun." Add to that another pilot group (Frontier) who feels that; despite being days away from non existence, they have the right to: delay the process, fail to show up at meetings, and indeed tried on several occasions...tried to subvert the seniority and jobs of the pilots at the other 3 carriers. They continue to do so, by trying to claim that they have a rights that no other pilot group has under the RLA.

So...has it taken too long to change the contract? Ask the RAH pilots who flew for the other 3 airlines who are now on one list and still being denied because of a group of Frontier pilots who cut a special deal with the owner. I'd venture the answer is "Yes, it's too long. And as tough as it is to negotiate with this management, it's worse when fellow pilots are out there cutting side deals with them."

For the sake of discussion, however, let's talk about your "reality." Was the first contract at your airline an "industry standard" contract? Did you immediately assume the mantle of your peers? I will guarantee you that you did not. You either got pay and benefits or quality of life. And in your second...if you are there yet...you made improvements and closed loopholes that were in the first one.

Therein lies your "reality." You are taking a request by Cub for off topic by regurgitating events that have been fundamentally addressed in the past four years and trying to make them appear as current events.