IBT results and experiences
05-24-2012, 07:43 AM
#61
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Joined APC: Apr 2009
Position: What day is it?
Posts: 963
It truly is good to see this coming back to what it was supposed to be in the beginning, answers to a legitimate question by the OP.
At the end of the day, the fact remains that while a Local and a National organization can provide support, it will be the unity of the pilot group that makes the difference.
Couple of points. In terms of differences between passenger and cargo operations and a unions abilities thereof, I don't believe that cargo or passenger really matters. We are behind the cockpit door and our contracts must reflect the reality that we are pilots. What's in the back, for the most part, really doesn't matter. In fact, a good argument can be made that having experience in negotiating both types of contracts has a tremendous value.
The same with the size of carriers. An argument could also be made that negotiating contracts with smaller carriers with much closer (volitaile) margins could be beneficial from the standpoint of developing more creative strategies.
As to where Allegiant would end up in terms of a Local; I agree that they would most likely end up with 1224. They (1224) just went through an election; the first since the Local only had a single carrier, ABX. The new officers and ExBoard is a diverse group from across the Local and has been, from what I've seen, very responsive to all groups...as they should. Again, it is that diversity that allows the Local to develop strengths that might not exist elsewhere. From within the member carriers there also exists a tremendous talent pool of volunteers that would only be enhanced by the addition of Allegiant pilots who choose to volunteer as well.
I hope they will continue to seek out 1224 members from all the carriers for input.
At the end of the day, the fact remains that while a Local and a National organization can provide support, it will be the unity of the pilot group that makes the difference.
Couple of points. In terms of differences between passenger and cargo operations and a unions abilities thereof, I don't believe that cargo or passenger really matters. We are behind the cockpit door and our contracts must reflect the reality that we are pilots. What's in the back, for the most part, really doesn't matter. In fact, a good argument can be made that having experience in negotiating both types of contracts has a tremendous value.
The same with the size of carriers. An argument could also be made that negotiating contracts with smaller carriers with much closer (volitaile) margins could be beneficial from the standpoint of developing more creative strategies.
As to where Allegiant would end up in terms of a Local; I agree that they would most likely end up with 1224. They (1224) just went through an election; the first since the Local only had a single carrier, ABX. The new officers and ExBoard is a diverse group from across the Local and has been, from what I've seen, very responsive to all groups...as they should. Again, it is that diversity that allows the Local to develop strengths that might not exist elsewhere. From within the member carriers there also exists a tremendous talent pool of volunteers that would only be enhanced by the addition of Allegiant pilots who choose to volunteer as well.
I hope they will continue to seek out 1224 members from all the carriers for input.
05-24-2012, 11:06 AM
#62
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2012
Posts: 108
Originally Posted by Baxter
I think I'll ask the mods to give you guys your own sandbox.
Did you get picked on a lot in grade school or something? You were either a single child or your brothers and/or sisters referred to you as, "The Tattletale."
The Office Tattletale: A Waste of Everyone's Time (washingtonpost.com)
What is your interest in the situation, or are you here just to complain about others complaining? You haven't actually added anything to the conversation.
05-24-2012, 11:10 AM
#63
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2012
Posts: 108
Originally Posted by ATCsaidDoWhat
It truly is good to see this coming back to what it was supposed to be in the beginning, answers to a legitimate question by the OP.
At the end of the day, the fact remains that while a Local and a National organization can provide support, it will be the unity of the pilot group that makes the difference.
Couple of points. In terms of differences between passenger and cargo operations and a unions abilities thereof, I don't believe that cargo or passenger really matters. We are behind the cockpit door and our contracts must reflect the reality that we are pilots. What's in the back, for the most part, really doesn't matter. In fact, a good argument can be made that having experience in negotiating both types of contracts has a tremendous value.
The same with the size of carriers. An argument could also be made that negotiating contracts with smaller carriers with much closer (volitaile) margins could be beneficial from the standpoint of developing more creative strategies.
As to where Allegiant would end up in terms of a Local; I agree that they would most likely end up with 1224. They (1224) just went through an election; the first since the Local only had a single carrier, ABX. The new officers and ExBoard is a diverse group from across the Local and has been, from what I've seen, very responsive to all groups...as they should. Again, it is that diversity that allows the Local to develop strengths that might not exist elsewhere. From within the member carriers there also exists a tremendous talent pool of volunteers that would only be enhanced by the addition of Allegiant pilots who choose to volunteer as well.
I hope they will continue to seek out 1224 members from all the carriers for input.
At the end of the day, the fact remains that while a Local and a National organization can provide support, it will be the unity of the pilot group that makes the difference.
Couple of points. In terms of differences between passenger and cargo operations and a unions abilities thereof, I don't believe that cargo or passenger really matters. We are behind the cockpit door and our contracts must reflect the reality that we are pilots. What's in the back, for the most part, really doesn't matter. In fact, a good argument can be made that having experience in negotiating both types of contracts has a tremendous value.
The same with the size of carriers. An argument could also be made that negotiating contracts with smaller carriers with much closer (volitaile) margins could be beneficial from the standpoint of developing more creative strategies.
As to where Allegiant would end up in terms of a Local; I agree that they would most likely end up with 1224. They (1224) just went through an election; the first since the Local only had a single carrier, ABX. The new officers and ExBoard is a diverse group from across the Local and has been, from what I've seen, very responsive to all groups...as they should. Again, it is that diversity that allows the Local to develop strengths that might not exist elsewhere. From within the member carriers there also exists a tremendous talent pool of volunteers that would only be enhanced by the addition of Allegiant pilots who choose to volunteer as well.
I hope they will continue to seek out 1224 members from all the carriers for input.
05-24-2012, 09:11 PM
#64
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2012
Position: FO
Posts: 101
Originally Posted by Ronaldo
Not explicitly telling people not to join but this is funny. I love how BB approves of your FAPA email to members.
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Yesterday, 10:50 PM
"What I want to know is; Why its OK with the federal mediator that the company put out, to the public no less, the compensation the union is asking for? What else can they just put out there? Do the rules only apply to us/union?"
Sort of like using law suit discovory documents on APC?
Your quick to complane when you feel some one does some thing wrong, but it dosnt include you i guess..........
05-25-2012, 12:52 AM
#65
Line Holder
Joined APC: May 2012
Position: Boeing/Right
Posts: 61
Originally Posted by pipercub
Would like to hear opinions and feelings about IBT from some of you that have recently gone through Contract Neg with IBT and from those that have been with IBT for awhile. The good, bad, and ugly. Anyone with IBT would be great but really like to hear from some of you from places like Atlas, Omni, cape air act Local 1224. Thanks
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05-25-2012, 12:21 PM
#66
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Joined APC: Apr 2012
Posts: 108
told ya so....
