FAULTPUSH

Is that per the NMB's definition of union? I was trying to find it online, but didn't have any luck with it. I was going off the dictionary definition of "union".


I stand corrected. I should have said that FAPAInvest manages the investment of some members of FAPA (I think?).

TillerEnvy

And mgmt got you hook, line and sinker. Doesn't totally shock me, but it does.

FAULTPUSH

OK, maybe so, and if they did I can understand management's motivation. But what about ALPA and UTU? It's a bit like they saying "you'd think there was a conspiracy if everyone was also out to get you."

IA1125

I have no way to verify the authenticity of RAH's timeline. It's their document, not mine.

I don’t doubt the content of your speech, the tone and demeanor with which you delivered your speech may have had something to do with the reception of your theories and the outcome.

If you were RAH Management and had these events occur in 2008:

January - November:

“Teamsters and Republic meet for 11 of 12 months and agree on substantial portions of a new contract.”


And these events occur in 2009:

“April 14: Teamsters and Republic agree to approximately a third of open contract items and hold productive discussions on the remainder.

April 15: Teamsters Local 747 is placed into trusteeship resulting in cancelled sessions and a general delay in productive negotiations for months.

July 7: Union trustees withdraw both the union’s compensation proposal and its insurance/benefits proposal.

August 25: Company submits a proposal in hopes of pushing negotiations forward. Union offers no proposals until December 2010.

September: Republic agrees to the Teamster’s request that the parties defer negotiations until an integrated seniority list is completed following the purchase of Frontier and Midwest.

The seniority matter ultimately goes to arbitration which results in 18 months of delay.”


Would a single speech from the “Strike Committee Chairman” on working together have made much of an impact on your expectations and methods of dealing with the IBT? In fact, why did the IBT select the Strike Comm. Chair instead of a more a Member with a more neutral title?

Then, after the January 19, 2009 speech, you (RAH Management) were forced to watch how the IBT dealt with the SLI, including the other 3 Unions, the Arbitrator’s instructions and the NMB, what would you feel the odds were that there would be a cooperative, non-adversarial relationship going forward?

Now, based on the 357’s behavior, the ExCo has members that meet with Frontier Management monthly (or at least one month in a row), but refuses to meet with RAH Management for your Monthly Ops meeting.

If you didn’t like the course the Monthly Ops meeting was taking, you could have easily said, “We are not going to negotiate at this meeting”, instead of taking your ball, going home and refusing to meet again.

I refer you back to the SLI process, as this seems the standard philosophy and behavior pattern for the IBT.

Hetman

I smell a rat.

ATCsaidDoWhat

Yup. Funny too how some posts have disappeared.

IA1125

What do you mean. Everything I have written is publicly available by talking to those involved, reading the new RAH website, the occasional 357 Communiqué and Industry message boards.

As you mentioned, it helps if you were present at some of the events we're discussing, and had the opportunity to interact with 357 "Leadership" in other capacities.

There have been many recent opportunities for 357 and National to work with the Frontier pilots.


This includes such items as:

• The Financial Core Fee Objectors billing debacle (still in disarray).

• The Hotel Committee issues (still in disarray).

• The Scheduling Committee issues (still in disarray).

• The System Board of Adjustment issues (still in disarray).

• The hijacking and misuse (more accurately the lack of use) - at the expense of 357’s membership - of the 1,200 hours of Flight Pay Loss contractually allowed for use by only Frontier Pilots under LOA 69.


FAPA signed LOA 69, with Frontier Airlines, Inc. on June 24, 2011, prior to 357’s takeover of FAPA.


That doesn't include the ancient history of a possible Joint Counsel (as the F/A's have shown works just fine or like the Polar/Atlas Joint Counsel) and the lack of an Implementation Agreement (I know, I know... it's all RAH's fault).

Also, ancient history, when I stated, “the Arbitrator’s instructions and the NMB” in my last post, that was the IBT violating the Arbitrator’s instructions as far as the release of some of the proposals and filing for STS prior to Eischen’s instructions.

This ties in nicely, and makes RAH Management’s statement extremely credible that on:

April 12, 2011

“Company submits its first counter on scheduling keyed to the current contract. Teamsters take 30-minute caucus and, without forewarning, announce they are filing for mediation.”


This is exactly the same maneuver they used in Dallas in January 2010 at the SLI "Negotiation."

These people are incapable of following instructions, cannot play by the rules and are constantly 2 steps ahead of their own plan, in a bad way, like not prepared or not understanding the unintended consequences of their actions – to the detriment of their membership and other involved parties.

Additionally, there’s the LOA 67 lawsuit by National contesting the Frontier Pilot's overwhelmingly ratified pay concessions showing support for RAH and allowing the Company to move forward with its other Stakeholders.

LOA 67 was also signed on June 24, 2011, prior to Frontier Pilots being forced into IBT 357 representation.

LOA 67 did nothing to harm IBT 357 or National, except for an infinitesimal reduction in dues monies owed. NOT ONE RAH pilot lost a dime in that deal, nor did National.

Frontier pilots are participating in the neighborhood of slightly less than $1,000,000 a month, to ensure the Company survives and is eventually profitable (at least on the Airbus side).

The only good news I've heard is that, finally, 357 is beginning to audit their own membership for past dues, for underpayment AND overpayment.

So, no rat. Just a pilot that was involved in certain aspects of the events and tries to remain marginally informed.


What posts have disappeared?

ATCsaidDoWhat

One could say it's YOUR interpretation of philosophy and behavior pattern...kind of like everyone watching how you wanted to "deal" with the other 3 airlines in the SLI.

We can likely also assume that SWAPA is dancing in the aisles that they didn't have to deal with the insanity that is FAPA.

FAULTPUSH

Gee....I wonder why?

IA1125

I remain close friends with members of the Midwest and Lynx Merger Committees. FAPA, MEA and L4 all worked together. In “Negotiations” the IBT would “summon” MEA and L4 Committees to their hotel room and dismiss them, offering nothing.

The MEA, L4 and FAPA Committees went to dinner a lot and spent a lot of time together. The IBT ate every meal by themselves as I remember it.

MEA, L4 and FAPA DID work together and “deal” with each other, the IBT chose a different course.

At Mediation, Arbitrator/Mediator, Richard Kasher met with the IBT in their private, “invitation only” room – no other Union was invited.

Mr. Kasher then came into the conference room with the MEA, L4 and FAPA Reps (between 10 and 12 of us) and said, “They are on a completely different planet than you guys.” That’s a direct quote. Mr. Kasher went on to say, words to the effect, that he saw no progress being made and no chance of making any progress, but that he would remain available in the event we decided his services would assist in the process.

Remember IBT showed up a day late, met with the Mediator 2 or 3 times and started going home a day early. What was to be a 5-day mediation turned into a 2-day waste of everyone’s time.


Does any of this sound even vaguely familiar to your Section 6 mediation?



The “odd man out” during the SLI was the IBT. Don’t take my word for it, ask ANY MEA, Lynx or FAPA Committee member what happened and how the IBT behaved. They will ALL give you the exact same answer, and it’s not how the IBT now portrays the process.

The IBT was clearly the foe in all the other Union’s eyes.


Sigh, once again, there was no SWA deal – ever.


A portion of 357’s ExCo met with Frontier Management – once. They decided they would have monthly meetings going forward. So far, there have been no other meetings between then and now. I’ll try to be clearer in the future.