Originally Posted by
ATCsaidDoWhat
One could say it's YOUR interpretation of philosophy and behavior pattern...kind of like everyone watching how you wanted to "deal" with the other three airlines in the SLI.
We can likely also assume that SWAPA is dancing in the aisles that they didn't have to deal with the insanity that is FAPA.
Originally Posted by
IA1125
That statement is quite simply, not true.
I bring it up only as a matter of credibility.
There were 4 Unions, and their Representatives (somewhere around 3 to 5 Reps for each Union), at the January 2010 meeting in Dallas to "Negotiate" the SLI. The IBT Reps walked out of that joint meeting after approximately 1 hour and refused to meet as a group ever again.
There were 4 unions at the "Mediation" in Sarasota. Roughly, the same number of Reps per Union as in Dallas.
Mediation was scheduled from Monday to Friday (February 15 to 19, 2010, inclusive).
[Edit] IBT 747 / Trusteeship (whatever) Representatives showed up on Tuesday and left Thursday. They couldn't be there Monday as Sunday was Valentine’s Day and one of the ExCO Officers (not a Negotiating or Merger Committee Member) had an anniversary that weekend.
My point is – EVERY person present as Union Representatives for both the January and February meetings will tell you the same story, except for RAH IBT.
That's roughly 12 to 14 Reps word against the RAH IBT's 4 to 6 Reps.
How likely is it that 3 disparate pilot groups and Unions - ALPA (Midwest), UTU (Lynx) and FAPA (Frontier) would all agree on exactly the same sequence of events that IBT and now Local 357 claim occurred differently?
I remain close friends with members of the Midwest and Lynx Merger Committees. FAPA, MEA and L4 all worked together. In “Negotiations” the IBT would “summon” MEA and L4 Committees to their hotel room and dismiss them, offering nothing.
The MEA, L4 and FAPA Committees went to dinner a lot and spent a lot of time together. The IBT ate every meal by themselves as I remember it.
MEA, L4 and FAPA DID work together and “deal” with each other, the IBT chose a different course.
At Mediation, Arbitrator/Mediator, Richard Kasher met with the IBT in their private, “invitation only” room – no other Union was invited.
Mr. Kasher then came into the conference room with the MEA, L4 and FAPA Reps (between 10 and 12 of us) and said, “They are on a completely different planet than you guys.” That’s a direct quote. Mr. Kasher went on to say, words to the effect, that he saw no progress being made and no chance of making any progress, but that he would remain available in the event we decided his services would assist in the process.
Remember IBT showed up a day late, met with the Mediator 2 or 3 times and started going home a day early. What was to be a 5-day mediation turned into a 2-day waste of everyone’s time.
Does any of this sound even vaguely familiar to your Section 6 mediation?
The “odd man out” during the SLI was the IBT.
Don’t take my word for it, ask ANY MEA, Lynx or FAPA Committee member what happened and how the IBT behaved. They will ALL give you the exact same answer, and it’s not how the IBT now portrays the process.
The IBT was clearly the foe in all the other Union’s eyes.
Sigh,
once again, there was
no SWA deal – ever.
Originally Posted by
IA1125
Now, based on the 357’s behavior, the ExCo has members that meet with Frontier Management monthly (or at least one month in a row), but refuses to meet with RAH Management for your Monthly Ops meeting.
Originally Posted by
ATCsaidDoWhat
"monthly"...or at least one month IN A ROW. C'mon...try to make sense here.
A portion of 357’s ExCo met with Frontier Management – once. They decided they would have monthly meetings going forward. So far, there have been no other meetings between then and now. I’ll try to be clearer in the future.