Originally Posted by
ATCsaidDoWhat
The IBT Airline Division leadership was replaced four years ago. You know that. If you took the time to understand how the Airline Division works...which you clearly have not...or refuse to admit...you would know that each pilot group...in this case the RAH pilots...elect their own leadership. So if they have some of the same people in positions, it is because THEY ALONE chose to.
No misunderstanding here ATC. I'm down with the fact that Airline Division leadership was replaced 4 years ago. I even agree with you that RAH pilots elect (what few of them actually voted) their own leadership. That is exactly my point. Is there nobody at RAH with a better track record or people/negotiating skills than their "choice" for the past 10 years?
Originally Posted by
ATCsaidDoWhat
you pushed your membership to NOT join the union...as a result, you could not nominate anyone and they could not run. And somehow...that became the fault of Local 357 and the IBT.
"Pushed" wouldn't really be the right word. It was more along the lines of suggesting each individual pilot do their own due diligence, and then make an informed decision. We're mostly adults over here and manage to think things through on most occasions. Based on the their track record and non-existent relationship with the Company, there is no wonder that all but 5-10 of us made a "choice" NOT to join Local 357. If the 357 wasn't what it was and is then there might have been more making that choice. As it stands, we see nothing but an incompetent, unrealistic & adversarial (in just about eery way possible) group that has done NOTHING (as in providing ZERO BENEFIT) for their membership for many years. Maybe that is how you all measure success so we'll definitely need to disagree on that.
Originally Posted by
ATCsaidDoWhat
You have chosen a path where you stand by yourself, refusing to admit that FAPA lost the election and the Airline Division won. So you act like petulant children, telling the world that unless you get your way, you will hold your breath until we all turn blue.
Oh no. We fully realize FAPA lost. Isn't that freaking obvious? What else would have been expected when IBT holds all the cards and then misguides and misinforms their membership as to the evils of FAPA (aka Frontier Pilots). You know, those a$$clowns who think they are better than everyone because of the size of their mighty Airbus. The ones who asked for something unrealistic in the SLI since the other side (aka Teamsters) refused to do nothing but the same.
Everything is a battle with you guys. Has anyone ever asked why the Teamsters can't get along with a fellow group of Pilots any more than they can with their own Management? Could it be that the Nikita Kruschev school of negotiation employed by 357 is flawed?
You still haven't answered my question. In the words of your former leader "what is the plan?" Take a shot at gaining our support. Tell us how you plan to rescue us from the wounds we inflicted upon ourselves in an effort to help assure a future for Frontier and ourselves? I'm still trying to figure out how it is that those efforts have hurt you. If LOA67 hurts IBT then maybe any of the previous 66 LOAs hurt you too. Are you going to negotiate with Management to fix the wrongs that Frontier pilots blindly accepted? Seriously, let's say, after all of the time and money, IBT prevails in court. LOA67 is part of the Frontier CBA and going to stay that way. You'll get control of the CD and be able to tell the world that you showed management. But what benefit will be derived for IBT?