Originally Posted by
bluejuice71
By your logic why even have a contract? You're saying when times get tough force manure will be used once again. Might as well not have a contract if the company can just do whatever it wants when it wants by claiming force majeur. Also, you are asking if the arrival of the 717's are written in the TA? Again, based on your logic things that are written in the contract don't really matter, so why worry about the 717's arrival being in written in the TA? It makes business sense for Delta to get the 717's and recover some of the rj flying using them. Management is not going to lie to us about getting 88 airplanes just so we'll sign a TA. How is it outsourcing our jobs if we are bringing more flying under mainline? We get 717's and more outsourced flying is done by us.
I am not talking about the entire contract. I am talking about the contract as it relates to your statement that "what happened with with furloughs and dci hiring can
never happen again under this ta."
Is it not true that delta management "illegally" furloughed a group of pilots claiming continued force majeure after 9/11?? That is precisely my point. Management will take force majeure to whatever distance they want and tell us to "grieve it." To say that something like that can "never" happen again seems ignorant of history. I know some will say: but if the grievance is won they will have to bring them back. That doesn't pay the bills while you are out on furlough during the process.
Again, a blanket statement by you that something can
never happen again seems to be forgetting history.
It makes business sense for Delta to get the 717's and recover some of the rj flying using them.
Exactly! So why are they saying that the arrival of the 717's is tied to the passing of the TA? If it makes sense for them to do it, they will do it regardless.
Management is not going to lie to us about getting 88 airplanes just so we'll sign a TA.
You don't know that any more than my slight suspicion that management's agreement "in principle" with the owners of those aircraft will somehow fall through "due to circumstances beyond our control." I just don't understand this blind "faith" in management. All we have is a "promise" based on an agreement "in principle." I'm not saying for certain that it won't happen, but let's maintain a healthy skepticism on management here. Have we already forgotten the "help us get the slot swap passed" followed by "90% of the flights are dci?"