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Old 06-05-2012 | 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by LeineLodge
Ok.

At the risk of getting way off into hypothetical land, let's use some actual numbers from the TA. I will note my assumptions where applicable.

Delta 737-700/800 5-year FO rate on 1/1/2013 (1 day after our amendable date): $124.20

*I don't know what category you're in, but this seems a fair category to compare with a SWA FO. The numbers obviously get better or worse depending on longevity/category, but I digress....

Let's ASSUME an average of 80 hours/month which is definitely doable at straight pay for a lineholder, without stalking the swap board. ALPA says the "average" Delta pilot averages 87/month, so I'm undershooting by a whole lot here.

$124.20 x 80 hours = $9936/month

$9926 x 12 months = $119,232

Add in 14% DSPS/DC Contribution = $119,232 x 1.14 = $135,924.48


So, we have the day after our amendable date, a 5-year FO making about $4,000 less than your $140,000 figure. I'm not figuring in Distance Learning or any other pay/no credit item that will close the gap a little bit. SWAPA's number is subject to a bunch of assumptions as well, that I'm not privy to.

Is it close enough?

How about 1 year later on 1/1/2015 when pay goes up another 3% and DC bumps 1%? The Delta number (with another longevity step) = $144,778.56

I find the fascination with SWA pay interesting. Do we just want to be paid more than them for some competitive reason, or is being paid much better than we currently are okay too?

It seems to me that we're not that FAR off the mark. Consider the odds of dramatically exceeding the current offer in short order just because we "demand" it. I just don't see the unlikely payoff outweighing the risk. But that's just me

As always, I appreciate the civil discussion guys. We can disagree and still keep it clean!
Since you mentioned 5 year 737 FOs:

Not many line holding 5 year guys on the 737 - anywhere. I'll be on 6th year pay next spring and I'm going to be the plug in CVG, can't hold ATL, SLC, or LAX. Only other base I could hold would be NYC as a reserve. I doubt I'll be averaging 80 a month (I have kept a personal record of monthly pay since I was hired and I have averaged 73.91 hours per month. That number includes CQ pay, etc...). The increased reserve pay will help, but I'd wager I'll be in the 75-77 hour average for the year.

I would say that the typical SWA schedule mirrors the MD88/90 trips more than they do our 737 trips. As we all know, the MD88/90 pays MUCH less than the 737. SWA pilots do quite a bit of up and down and work harder (more efficiently) than most of our 737 trips (SWAG based on a quick perusing of bid packages).

My desire for all of our pilots to match or exceed SWA compensation stems from the facts that we: do more diverse flying, have helped the company achieve great efficiencies from the merger in short order and the fact that we have been making and are forecast to produce record profits. I feel that professionalism and cooperation should be recognized in the form of compensation equal to or greater than a company that operates in our own backyard, doing less diverse flying and making less corporate profit than us.

Just my opinion.
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