ACL, you above many should know that this is a cyclical business. RA and company are trying very hard to even out the cycles. For the first time since deregulation I believe DL has a business plan that will work and provide steady profits and steady improvements for the pilots. Think SW and how every year they get a little more. I have little empathy for a 4 year pilot sitting on the 767ER that has had two raises every year(longevity and contractual) talking about expectations. With our retirement plan the way it is you will retire a multi millionaire and never have to go through losing a pension in your 50's. In 5 to 7 years you will start moving up due to retirements. Some food for thought: The NMB doesn't give a rats a$$ about your expectations, they see a pilot group #2 in their industry and are under no obligations to make us #1. If UCAL and AA/USAIR settle under us currently what does that do for the negotiating climate. You believe DL will come back to the table if we reject this contract. My sources say different, the second offer if we get 1 will be worse. You vote your way I'll vote mine then in the aftermath we will deal with the results together. Yes, I'm at the top of the heap now but for the first 7 years of my career I was stuck on the lowest paying position at DL. That's the breaks of an airline career, as an industry it sucks and for labor it has always been a wild ride.