What Happens if this TA Passes?
06-07-2012, 09:40 PM
#161
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Originally Posted by DAL73n
ACL,
It's been more than half a decade, it's been my entire career. I was on Delta Express in 2001 when I was furloughed (Express was already a B-scale). By time I returned off furlough (late 2005) we were already on the pre BK (save DAL) negotiated pay cut and shortly into the BK pay cut. So, I would argue we (anyone hired on or after 2000 - over 1100 of us that were furloughed) have been on an 11 year stagnation and this contract was supposed to start us back on the way to a good (not great) career. I also turned down SWA to come to DAL and I expected this contract to have significant gains and have been severely disappointed. The "scope protections" and mainline increases everyone is crowing about are only as good as the Union enforcement which so far in my career observation has been very week and lacking. I don't expect this contract (as currently written) to be any different. My current expectations are I will top out as 737n F/O with my pay topping out at around $150K (that is 10 years from now). I have no expectations of WB F/O or CA on any A/C at Delta Air Lines because of the work rule concessions and scope.
It's been more than half a decade, it's been my entire career. I was on Delta Express in 2001 when I was furloughed (Express was already a B-scale). By time I returned off furlough (late 2005) we were already on the pre BK (save DAL) negotiated pay cut and shortly into the BK pay cut. So, I would argue we (anyone hired on or after 2000 - over 1100 of us that were furloughed) have been on an 11 year stagnation and this contract was supposed to start us back on the way to a good (not great) career. I also turned down SWA to come to DAL and I expected this contract to have significant gains and have been severely disappointed. The "scope protections" and mainline increases everyone is crowing about are only as good as the Union enforcement which so far in my career observation has been very week and lacking. I don't expect this contract (as currently written) to be any different. My current expectations are I will top out as 737n F/O with my pay topping out at around $150K (that is 10 years from now). I have no expectations of WB F/O or CA on any A/C at Delta Air Lines because of the work rule concessions and scope.
06-08-2012, 12:32 AM
#162
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
.... and has been cheated out of longevity by those who will destroy our union because they fail to understand unity.
I'm not putting ACL in this category, just trying to grasp the logical upshot of your argument. Should the 250 hour guys right out of Riddle or ATP walk in and get their seniority number at Delta? How has one distinguished themselves as a skilled aviator at that point?
You talk about failing to understand unity. APC is full of posts like yours that want to hang responsibility for the value of this career solely on senior guys who survived a much more selective process than our generation did.
In my opinion, it is you that fails to understand unity. True unity, unity of action that is necessary for the success of a labor union, is simple. It requires that one does not undercut his brother and do the same work for less money.
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
That's why it is our goal to stop alter ego, to stop the outsourcing that robs people of a significant portion, if not all of their career as a Delta pilot
Guys want to point the finger at scope clauses, senior guys, etc., but never want to look in the mirror.
Last edited by Whidbey; 06-08-2012 at 12:44 AM.
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