Possibly. That doesn't mean I will take it as a reserve. It would probably be after we get all 88 or more. I was mad as heck before this TA came out, that is true. So what's changed? Reality set in. People on here are shocked about the pay offer, but can't see it's a short duration contract, and early at that. I had to think about our chances if management doesn't want to give in to our demands, and possible ramifications, which are unknown to everyone. I had to look at our competition, and where they are today. The scope helps us overall get rid of a huge amount of RJs. All of things made me look again at my attitude, and see that being negative just won't improve the situation. Smaller steps are needed to achieve the same goals, large ones all at once aren't achievable in today's environment.

So, I had to get rid of the hate, and look at the deal as a whole. It's a process that can be full of disappointment, and opportunity at the same time.

 

scope   
1. extent or range of view, outlook, application, operation, effectiveness, etc.: an investigation of wide scope.
2. space for movement or activity; opportunity for operation: to give one's fancy full scope.
3. extent in space; a tract or area.
4. length: a scope of cable.
5. aim or purpose.

You only get paid what you are worth. Ignore scope at find yourself someday with no room for movement. As in scoped out of a job. Every concession of scope is a concession to the mobility of your career. Hold the ALPA negotiating committee responsible.

 

Well thought out. Thank you.

Even with voting for this TA do you have concerns over some of the language, I know I do. Pay is pay, but scope and work rules are my top items.

I also do not think that anyone expected the raises/restoration they were demanding. I believe the survey showed that as well, but the result was well blow the survey and the direction that the reps already time valued for an early agreement.

 

 

Not really.

ACL and others hired in 2007 were given interviews in 2001 and had been flying Delta passengers for eight or nine years by the time they walked in the same familiar door to come to work as a "Delta pilot." Just like the managers, rampers, and gate agents our HR and security information already resided in Delta's computers. In my case the same file was literally updated with a new date of hire (1999 deleted, 2007 inserted). I've still got an "ASA employee number." When during my interview the question was asked, "What would your Chief Pilot say about you ?" I joked that we shared the same Chief pilot, Charlie Tutt, and they could ask him since he was right down the hall. The interviewer laughed and said "we're having lunch."

Had it not been for the decision of ALPA and Delta to acquire an airline, absorb their code and operate then as separate subsidiaries which perform Delta flying ACL would have been a Delta pilot in 1999. He is in his 13th year of being physically "on the property." If ACL had been treated like the other thousands of employees absorbed into Delta, he would have more than a decade's longevity.

Had it not been for management's shell game, ACL65 would have had an entirely different career path. ACL in fact flew more Delta passengers longer than he would have if he had been hired and placed on furlough. When in 2007 Delta hired pilots and they went straight to where they would have gone (absent the alter ego). Pretty much the 2007 guys were hired in almost the same order as they would have been absent the great outsourcing project. Before the merger it seemed as though maybe a "Delta" career could be recovered.

That's why it is our goal to stop alter ego, to stop the outsourcing that robs people of a significant portion, if not all of their career as a Delta pilot.

ACL's where he damn well should be and has been cheated out of longevity by those who will destroy our union because they fail to understand unity.

 

So I was told in bankruptcy. Show me the money!

Tr

 

Bar,

That point sounds like entitlement and will not ressonare well here. The past is the past, we must learn from it or fail to repeat it. We have many opportunities to think well outside the box and we should. For DAL pilots, for ALPA pilots, for our company and our profession. We are where we are but it's our choice to repeat the same errors of omission or fix them now before they are very costly to us and our profession.

That is NOT entitlement, that's just good business for all of us. We cannot change the past and should only use it as a backstop for current and future failures.

 

Be a politician if you want. I'll resonate on the flight deck (or be a gentleman change the subject ... everyones favorite topic is themselves ... they'll always go to that topic if you lead them there).

Bigbusdriver, as quoted "we don't want those guys on our list" is why Delta has the outsourcing problem we have. Simply put, he is wrong and should be told he is wrong, early, often, consistently and for ever more.

 

Ok then I look forward to it.

Part of changing the course is changing the hearts and minds opposed to you. Calling them out over items 13 years in the past generally will not do that.

 

Yep, that's the same as bigbusdriver's uphill both ways through the snow posts from earlier.