What Happens if this TA Passes?
06-07-2012, 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
In English, what the man is saying is; Delta has squeezed capacity as far as they can and are learning where the back side of the revenue curve is.
Once we go past that point, revenue declines at an increasing rate variable on capacity / demand.
Once we go past that point, revenue declines at an increasing rate variable on capacity / demand.
06-07-2012, 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by grasshopper
or the route/network accumulator is being "pre-loaded" ...scary thought?
Dal kept shrinking because prasm was increasing by double digits but we have recently seen a drop off in the YOY percentages.
MEM was shut well in advance and I suspect we will see further rationalizing of our existing hub structure with a possible acquisition if the opportunity arises.
06-07-2012, 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
If you can swallow this contract, that is your call. I value myself and our pilot group more than that.
You came to work here when the pay was far worse, the scope was far worse, and your future was much more at risk due to a far weaker company. How does that relate to your "values?"
I respect that in your opinion the TA doesn't meet your criteria for a yes vote. That's the process. But what you've written above doesn't align with the facts.
06-07-2012, 07:00 AM
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gentleman's agreement in DFW?
06-07-2012, 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by grasshopper
gentleman's agreement in DFW?
06-07-2012, 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
Please...
You came to work here when the pay was far worse, the scope was far worse, and your future was much more at risk due to a far weaker company. How does that relate to your "values?"
I respect that in your opinion the TA doesn't meet your criteria for a yes vote. That's the process. But what you've written above doesn't align with the facts.
You came to work here when the pay was far worse, the scope was far worse, and your future was much more at risk due to a far weaker company. How does that relate to your "values?"
I respect that in your opinion the TA doesn't meet your criteria for a yes vote. That's the process. But what you've written above doesn't align with the facts.
I know I came here with the expectation that the job and career would improve. If I did not have that expectation I would have not come.
06-07-2012, 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Slow, even though he/we were not here for the bloodletting, that does not exclude us from the expectation that the value of a DAL pilot job would return. It's been have half a decade.
I know I came here with the expectation that the job and career would improve. If I did not have that expectation I would have not come.
I know I came here with the expectation that the job and career would improve. If I did not have that expectation I would have not come.
06-07-2012, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by finis72
ACL, you above many should know that this is a cyclical business. RA and company are trying very hard to even out the cycles. For the first time since deregulation I believe DL has a business plan that will work and provide steady profits and steady improvements for the pilots. Think SW and how every year they get a little more. I have little empathy for a 4 year pilot sitting on the 767ER that has had two raises every year(longevity and contractual) talking about expectations. With our retirement plan the way it is you will retire a multi millionaire and never have to go through losing a pension in your 50's. In 5 to 7 years you will start moving up due to retirements. Some food for thought: The NMB doesn't give a rats a$$ about your expectations, they see a pilot group #2 in their industry and are under no obligations to make us #1. If UCAL and AA/USAIR settle under us currently what does that do for the negotiating climate. You believe DL will come back to the table if we reject this contract. My sources say different, the second offer if we get 1 will be worse. You vote your way I'll vote mine then in the aftermath we will deal with the results together. Yes, I'm at the top of the heap now but for the first 7 years of my career I was stuck on the lowest paying position at DL. That's the breaks of an airline career, as an industry it sucks and for labor it has always been a wild ride.
06-07-2012, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by finis72
ACL, you above many should know that this is a cyclical business. RA and company are trying very hard to even out the cycles. For the first time since deregulation I believe DL has a business plan that will work and provide steady profits and steady improvements for the pilots. Think SW and how every year they get a little more. I have little empathy for a 4 year pilot sitting on the 767ER that has had two raises every year(longevity and contractual) talking about expectations. With our retirement plan the way it is you will retire a multi millionaire and never have to go through losing a pension in your 50's. In 5 to 7 years you will start moving up due to retirements. Some food for thought: The NMB doesn't give a rats a$$ about your expectations, they see a pilot group #2 in their industry and are under no obligations to make us #1. If UCAL and AA/USAIR settle under us currently what does that do for the negotiating climate. You believe DL will come back to the table if we reject this contract. My sources say different, the second offer if we get 1 will be worse. You vote your way I'll vote mine then in the aftermath we will deal with the results together. Yes, I'm at the top of the heap now but for the first 7 years of my career I was stuck on the lowest paying position at DL. That's the breaks of an airline career, as an industry it sucks and for labor it has always been a wild ride.
06-07-2012, 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Unfortunately the US Immigration policies also prohibit Asian customers walking through our terminals without a VISA. The US government does not seem to care about our problems (or all of the money ceded to foreign carriers as a result).
I do not see much of a future for us in Japan. A hub does not work if our passengers can't transit it. We'll have to over fly and point to point from the United States, or (more likely) get partners and retreat from that market. We already gave up on cargo ... so what's the point ?
As ACL points out, the Delta network has shrunk to the point it barely carries outlying hubs. He thinks there will be hub consolidation and I agree.
I do not see much of a future for us in Japan. A hub does not work if our passengers can't transit it. We'll have to over fly and point to point from the United States, or (more likely) get partners and retreat from that market. We already gave up on cargo ... so what's the point ?
As ACL points out, the Delta network has shrunk to the point it barely carries outlying hubs. He thinks there will be hub consolidation and I agree.
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