OK.. I will try to go back to the old tsquare and be more civil. But please, while you are vilifying me, look at Bacon Bits' post above and tell me how I should respond to THAT....

Let's talk about your first statement. "The 'logic' of our agreement states that we gave away more large RJs".

This is true, but it is only a small portion of the argument as a whole. The problem here is that many.. including you.. have viewed this as THE only thing that matters and the only thing that should be driving the agreement. So you say that we sold out, or whatever.. on this agreement... Be pragmatic about this.

And I will caveat everything that I say going forward with this statement: I believe we are underpaid.. I believe that the proliferation of RJs is wrong, and the two things frankly suck.

But it is what it is. We all want to go back to a time when we wold make a Cadillac on each trip yada yada yada. That ain't gonna happen folks.. at least not all in one bite. To just say no, and hope that it will is delusional, and self destructive. It doesn't have to be either/or, but to make an all or nothing statement will more than likely end up with nothing. Is THAT what you want?

So where do we want to go, and how do we get there? We cannot just demand, and have any certainty that management is gonna give us what we want.. just because we feel that we deserve it. We do not have that kind of leverage no matter what you think the company can afford. No one can PROVE that. Some leverage can be quantified, some cannot. Whether or not management can "afford" to give us what we deserve is not something we can bank on being a leverable idea.

Back to the RJs. I HATE seeing them in connection colors. Hate it. They SHOULD be DAL liveries. But they aren't. Those airplanes were sold on earlier agreements to the lowest bidders, and they weren't us. So they are gone. I need for you to explain to me how it is that you think we can get them back here with any sort of value attached to them for DAL mainline pilots. Even cocktail napkin math will show you that we cannot fly them for any hourly rate approaching what DCI flies them for.. and even if we COULD, it will be a new hire CA position. Will a 7 year DAL pilot fly captain on those things for $79/hr? Would you? Do you really want to tank pay and retirement, and working conditions for THAT??? Let them go.. and let's get value for what we can. This agreement did just that, and those things are capped. IF the company wants more of them.. they will have to pony up something extraordinary. And FWIW, I will vote no on anything going forward that increases number of seats on RJs... We won here. Big time. OR would you rather go the way of APA? Don't you find it interesting that UCal is demonizing us for capping the RJs AND getting significant pay increases? Why is that? THINK about it....

Sorry for the rambling post. Focus on the end game and not a single move, and I really think you will see that getting wrapped around the axle about RJs will hold us back more than moving us forward.