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Originally Posted by appDude View Post

Solution:
Keep the current full retirement age of 60 in effect, but install a requirement to give the company a fair notice of retirement date, say 1 year.
The current contract provides for retirement before age 60, but with a penalty of 3% per year for doing so.

Today a pilot is not required to give any notice at all to retire. If he's willing to live with a gap between his last active pilot paycheck and his first retirement paycheck, he can walk away today. Notice is required if he wants to make it a seamless transition.

What you propose is in essence giving up that right, or imposing a penalty for exercising that right. In other words, it's a concession. Bad headwork.

Sure, The Company would like advance notice of retirements. We might be able to invent a scheme to provide that notice, but giving the notice should be rewarded in some way. Perhaps one way of rewarding the pilot who provides advance notice of his retirement would be to give him credit for the hours in his sick bank which he cannot use or redeem. The more notice provided, the higher the amount of sick bank credit.

If not sick bank, then something else. But whatever it is, it should be equitable to both parties. Company wants prior notice? Fine. What are they willing to pay for that notice?



Originally Posted by appDude View Post

That should also be the penalty for retiring between 60 and 65 without giving the company a 12 month notice.

Wait, I thought you wanted them to retire at 60. Now you want to impose a penalty for retiring? That doesn't make sense.

Personally, I want every pilot to maintain the right to hang up their hat any day they choose. You may be surprised how quickly a §4.A.2.b. "problem" can be solved.


Originally Posted by appDude View Post

I know this will never even get considered, as ALPA is pretty much a 'senior guys take theirs and screw the junior guys' organization.

Not pointing a finger at you, but that's a common complaint among guys and gals who are too busy raising their young families to volunteer in the organization. Last I checked, votes are not weighted by tenure. The guy off probation gets the same vote as the guy a month, or even a day away from retirement.



Originally Posted by appDude View Post

Junior guys:
Do you think the flexibility to retire at 60 will still be there when you get there?

Normal Retirement Age in our CBA is 60. In order to change that, our company will have to enter bankruptcy and use the courts to render our CBA worthless, or we will have to ratify a new CBA which changes our Normal Retirement Age. 50% + 1 comes to about 2,100 pilots or so (if everyone voted) to vote in favor of raising the Normal Retirement Age. I haven't found a single one yet. I wouldn't worry about the Normal Retirement Age changing until you find a lot of pilots who want to change it.


Originally Posted by appDude View Post

Do you think the defined benefit will still be around when you get there?

I know we'll get to vote on it. See above.


Originally Posted by appDude View Post

I hope the answer to both of those is yes, but making this change will first, put money in your pocket every month between now and when you retire, and second, make the current age of 60 less painful to the company, which will make them pushing for a hard 65 less likely between now and when you get to choose your retirement age.

What makes you so sure they'll push for 65? Senior pilots are expensive (highest pay rate) and unproductive (lots of Vacation, sick, disability, etc.). It's not a forgone conclusion that The Company wouldn't prefer to put them out to pasture and hire new guys at the lowest pay rates, lowest rates of sick call, and smallest vacation banks.

Maybe they want 65, or maybe they want 60. I don't see any reason why we should be making their arguments for them, and I absolutely cannot see a reason why we should support imposing a penalty on a pilot for exercising a right he has under the CBA today.


Originally Posted by appDude View Post

Standing by for the full frontal assault on this subject (and of course working feverishly to upgrade my Mac to MtLion and fix FXeGrid!)

Cheers
appDude


Good luck. Might I suggest you get a PC?






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