Originally Posted by
tmtbiker
don't ask intelligent questions, this is the internet!
Excuse me? "what [we're] doing for the profession as a whole" ?!?!?! I believe you're insinuating that we should somehow refuse to fly larger airplanes? Do you think that after this refusal took place, AMR would simply award that flying to mainline? We all know that RAH, SKW, etc etc would be on the ramp the next day to move those airplanes, and I can't blame them.
MAINLINE contracts govern scope (and now, the BK Judge). Get back to me when you've convinced every RJ driver nationwide to boycott our flying when the bid for it goes out, and then I'll be sure to stick it to 'em with a no vote.
And just to cover your whole argument-in a perfect world, we could reject, work under the term sheet for 6 months, exit BK and begin "intense" negotiations towards a new contract. Except any AA pilot will tell you "intense" negotiations with AMR could be a while. What motivation does mgmt have to agree at that point? They're making $$ hand over fist while you're working for peanuts under the term sheet. And if Gov. Romney gets elected, do you think we'll be released to strike? I'm just curious if you could tell me how many strikes were allowed under President Bush in his tenure during the previous Ch. 11 BKs at UAL, DL, NWA....?
I understand mainline governs scope. That's not what I was talking about.
What I meant by hurting the profession was AGREEING to an EIGHT YEAR concessionary contract when some of us are trying to negotiate huge raises and get some Qol increases. If you don't think no pay changes and PBS is not concessionary then you are crazy. Watch your w2 plummet next year eventhough your pay rate won't change. When the furloughs come they will be deeper under PBS because it is a staffing tool at its core and if your not on the end of a furlough letter it will affect your relative seniority due to the lower pilot count.
Eagle and Xjt are the only two regionals with some bit of Qol in their contracts and you are about to give yours away for the next EIGHT YEARS. Not saying the next year or two won't be hard but it sure ain't EIGHT YEARS