If you sit back and say I'm not getting anything out of this it's very selfish. You have junior guys at the bottom of the seniority list that's being furloughed. Everything is speculation. We've heard 9 75s weve heard 19. DHL is suppose to get back into the domestic market we've heard we are gonna be a player in that expansion. We've heard our biggest problem is getting 75s. 73 900er start hitting the airlines next year so maybe 75s start becoming available and we start getting them, again speculation. Fact is number 4 is coming we aren't sure if it's for expansion or replacement of a 72. it was announced to us The 72s are not going away as thought. We aren't for sure what's going on but it sure looks good as far as expansion. I dont know what's goin on at ATI. They are not in the DHL domestic market for performance issues. ATI is downsizing people are losing jobs which sucks. If their is a chance to combine airlines as one is expanding and save jobs I would think that would be the goal. But it seems all you hear is what am I getting out of this. You know what your getting is nothing but maybe we can save some jobs, people can pay bills and if we do expand the 75 fleet doesn't that count for upgrades that might not happen as a stand alone carrier ? So are you really getting nothing ?