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Old 10-24-2012 | 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by TonyC
While the first word which came to my mind is a form of excrement, I am compelled by polite company to instead declare you are full of bluster.

Because you found it hard? Everybody does it, by definition, the worst AF pilot can do it.

When I went through Castle in the early 80s on my way to a receiver variant of the -135, I had an opportunity to spend one brief session in a facility specifically designed and dedicated to teaching receiver air refueling. The B-52 Air Refueling Part Task Trainer consisted of a dedicated building with a simulator, complete with realistic (for its time) visual, an array of supporting training devices and computer banks, all supported by a dedicated staff of technical support and maintenance, as well as schedulers and instructors. It was there where I got my first glimpse of A/R from the receiver end of the boom.

Yea, that thing hasn't been used since Castle closed. So must have been important.

Ask yourself this. If receiver A/R was so dadgum easy, why did the Air Force invest so much money and resources into a device dedicated to teaching that task, and that task only? If it was so easy, they should have been able to teach the procedures in a classroom, and go practice it in flight on the first sortie.

Because the Air Force is stupid and wastes money.

I don't know what all the different communities do or have done in the past, or what they do today. I do know that in some airframes, copilots are not allowed to close beyond pre-contact without an Instructor who is specifically certified to instruct air refueling. Where I was, every aircraft commander could supervise copilot refueling. We did an awful lot of refueling -- rarely flying a sortie without it. Other folks had a hard time staying current. I would venture that the pilot flying in that video was on the low experience end of that spectrum. But whether you did it a little and struggled with it, or did it a lot and were very proficient -- it was hard, and dangerous.

Really? Hard, dangerous? We do it every day all over the country.

Remember when B-52 pilots had to wear parachutes and helmets to A/R? Was that a measure taken for comofort, or did it recognize the hazard?

We still do. It's because it's considered a critical phase of flight by the Life support reg. Like landings, high level bomb runs with 30 degrees of bank, and Takeoff. Very dangerous stuff.









CFIC -- Consolidated Flight Instructor Course, for KC-135 and B-52 Instructors. As long as the weather allowed, we all did the whifferdill while in contact. It was a confidence maneuver which demonstrated that the success of the aerial refueling had little to do with the attitude of the two airplanes -- bank, pitch, speed. Successful refueling depends on the smooth, stable platform provided by the tanker and the deliberate, steady inputs made by the receiver. If the receiver concentrated on the tanker, he would be surprised to see the strange horizon relative to the airplanes shown in the pictures.

I never said the whiff was easy, just AR. But certainly if you can stay on the boom at 90 degrees of bank, straight and level should be cake.

I'll give you the last word. I'm tired of discussing how difficult normal AR is. My opinion after doing it for 9 years in B-52's is that it is easy. Certainly if it's night, weather, and bad turbulence, it's harder, but day to day....not rocket surgery.









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Last word is yours Toad driver.
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