Hoss, that is why is am no longer listening to a damn thing ANY sCAL pilot says on this or any other forum. CAL guys are looking at things from their (much more beneficial) side of the T&PA. UAL guys have one hell of a lot to lose here. CAL pilots not so much. In fact, I will go so far as to say that sCAL will only gain from sUAL's loss. Is this fear? You bet. Fear that I may not be able to support my family. How many CAL pilots do you think are worrying about that right now? I think you know how I'm voting.