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Old 11-21-2012 | 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by horrido27
Not sure how to post the link to the DAL Pilot Help Thread.. but asked and answered if their PWA will allow 2 man, unaugmented 9 hour Flight time trips. No at Delta, yes at United under this TA.

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Regarding the flight time rules, the UA TA is FAR 117 compliant, the DAL PWA may not be in some areas (rumor alert). I'm not an expert on the DAL contract but I'd like to hear more about it from someone who is regarding FAR 117. FAR 117 goes into effect Q3 2013, however should the UA TA pass my understanding is that UA will be operating in compliance with the new rules as of date of signing.

My experience with 2 leg, 9+ hour flight time days was on the DC-10 flying Hawaii turns out of SFO. Having the FE onboard made it legal for 2 pilots to fly over 8 hours, and those are actually still the existing rules. In hindsight as long as you could plan the rest prior to the one day Hawaii turns weren't bad. In fact, one day trips off the west coast were the last time I had 21-22 day-off lines.

Under FAR 117 the ability to fly Transcon turns, or something like JFK-SFO-ORD (unaugmented), becomes possible. Every pilot needs to determine their fitness to fly and to operate a flight based on all factors. However, given the option and adequate safety margins I'll take the more efficient schedule any day.

Sorry for going off topic, I guess this more of a FAR 117 discussion.

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