Cal mec jcba ta pro statement
11-24-2012, 10:02 AM
#41
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Originally Posted by uaav8r
I understand that your new aircraft were ordered a long time ago and that you guys have actually had significant movement over the last decade. That's great news for Continental pilots. Hell, if I were a CAL pilot, I wouldn't want any part of an ISL with UAL pilots. But i'm not a CAL pilot. As for "doom and gloom", well that's pretty much been the career description of most UAL pilots since september 2001. An entire decade of pure stagnation and regression. Not your fault, but something I'm sure your side is well aware of.
We see your point and recognize the problems this creates on the lual side. We also know and see that this is the same carrot/threat always used by mgmt. Most lcal pilots don't want the whipsawing to continue either. But we also don't see why we have to be the lual fix all here. Voting yes on this ta is not going to solve the whipsaw. The isl will but we all know that it is going to arbitration. And how long will that take 6 months? 12? 18? Then what? The DFR lawsuit? ALPA decert? We have all gone through this last decade of hell together, some fared better than others and some didn't. Lets not screw this one up as well by taking mgmts ****ty first offer.
11-24-2012, 10:25 AM
#42
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Position: B756 Capt Junior Lineholder
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Originally Posted by jsled
When will the arbitrators even get to look? The MECs started a roughly 6 month SLI clock by accepting the AIR. That stops dead in it's tracks if we turn this down. Lee, I would go for the 45K signing bonus and 46% pay raise on the table of 76 Captains like yourself. Take the block or better per segment and the M5D. Do not vote no. CAL is upgrading 20 Caps per month. UAL just asked for Jan-Mar LOAs - check it out...it's on Skynet. It's time for a single List. No more delays.
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Good luck to us all.
11-24-2012, 11:07 AM
#43
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Originally Posted by uaav8r
I understand ... that you guys have actually had significant movement over the last decade.
Maybe others can chime in but I haven't met one person on the L-CAL side who wants to hold up the TA to delay SLI all in an attempt to "grab captain seats" while we can. That isn't a statement I have heard in talks with any of my CAL FO friends and co-workers. I can tell you in the circle of people I know that is hardly our concern when deciding our vote on this TA.
11-24-2012, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Coach67
Many of us "Nay sayers" have the same facts but disgree with your position and/or understanding of them. Just because we disagree with your positions doesn't make us less informed, or making "huge assumptions" that are more erroneous.
Maybe your frustrations are because you aren't swaying "Nay sayers" opinions with your debate. I remedy this frustration on my end by not attempting to sway people to my way of thinking. Just debate the issues and be calm in your own YES vote and let others be calm in their NO vote. Using this method has reduced my frustrations exponentially.
Our nation's debt and tax increases have nothing to do with the JCBA TA. I don't get frustrated with my republican neighbors either when they don't think like I think regarding politics
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Maybe your frustrations are because you aren't swaying "Nay sayers" opinions with your debate. I remedy this frustration on my end by not attempting to sway people to my way of thinking. Just debate the issues and be calm in your own YES vote and let others be calm in their NO vote. Using this method has reduced my frustrations exponentially.
Our nation's debt and tax increases have nothing to do with the JCBA TA. I don't get frustrated with my republican neighbors either when they don't think like I think regarding politics
.That is probably a better written response than I could have come up with myself.
11-26-2012, 01:29 PM
#45
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Originally Posted by ChrisJT6
There are a lot of imperfections as admitted by the MECs but I agree...there is nothing as important as stopping the CAL MEC/UCH vs UAL MEC grow/shrink reality. This is not a "what if" scenario, it is reality. I also don't subscribe to the folks saying that only pilots that vote no are entitled to voice displeasure with certain areas that are not good. If one evaluates the contract as the best current solution to stop the whipsaw and is in good standing I believe you're entitled to stay in the respectful constructive debate. I've read most of the gripes of the TA but I propose as a response to every single one: What is as important as ending the conniving whipsaw?
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