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Old 11-22-2012, 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by horrido27 View Post
^ I have NEVER stated it would be done for International (Global) flights.
The scenario I see is what HSLD pointed out.

CALFO , you state this is "a non issue".
Our job (and the Union's too..) is too see if there are scenarios that hurt us.
A crew is scheduled to fly EWR-LAX, sit for 1:30 and then do LAX-PHX. Flight time 8:30. Sit in LA about 1:30 (there are things that also happen with regards to crew meals at the 1:30 mark).
If this gets delayed.. the crew is still legal for a while. But if not, due to some sort of weather issue.. say "SWAP" is in effect.. certain rules get thrown out!
The crew could get re-assigned.. (as I see) and that could effect their end time and also their "pay".

Not to mention, 9 hour un augmented is manpower negative.

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I think our job at this point is to do exactly what we are doing and debate the issues, both negative and positive. There will never be a contract that doesn't have some negatives. I keep hoping for a contract that says, "stay home and get paid." Until that contract is written there will always be something to improve.

I read your example above and I truly don't understand what the issue is? As for thing being different in swap. The 9 hours is far and it's not extendable. Swap doesn't change that. Can you please elaborate on the example. If there is something that I am missing I'd like to know.

Lets keep up the good discussions.
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Old 11-22-2012, 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by horrido27 View Post
Maybe you'd like to answer why we have an A380 payrate that is almost $100 more than the 74's?!

Industry Leading...
NOT

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Old 11-22-2012, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by horrido27 View Post
Not sure how to post the link to the DAL Pilot Help Thread.. but asked and answered if their PWA will allow 2 man, unaugmented 9 hour Flight time trips. No at Delta, yes at United under this TA.

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Old 11-22-2012, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop View Post
As a DAL guy my question is why not full longevity for furloughees?

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With the perception, regardless of it's accuracy, firmly planted in the minds of UAL pilots that they have to vote "yes", or risk the protections of the TPA expiring, CAL-MEC could have asked for anything and Hepner and crew would have to at least consider agreeing.

Since the company is slowly moving to replace brain bags with iPads, there was no long term value in asking for an agreement where a UAL pilot would be assigned to carry each CAL pilot's bag. A seniority roll over seemed like the next piece of low hanging fruit given UAL's propensity to eat their own young with or without ALPA's sanctioning...
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The irony being that their longevity being restored would have zero bearing on the SLI... absolutely atrocious move on their part.
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp View Post
The irony being that their longevity being restored would have zero bearing on the SLI...
You, are one of the very few who understand that point.
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Old 11-22-2012, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by LeeMat View Post
Pay banding and LOA 25 are CAL MEC strategic goals, no doubt.
I am a NO voter and I will take my chances that the arbitrators will see right through this...SLI is and should remain separate from the JCBA negotiations, it is shameful that some have chosen to pollute the process. Happy Turkey day everyone!
When will the arbitrators even get to look? The MECs started a roughly 6 month SLI clock by accepting the AIR. That stops dead in it's tracks if we turn this down. Lee, I would go for the 45K signing bonus and 46% pay raise on the table of 76 Captains like yourself. Take the block or better per segment and the M5D. Do not vote no. CAL is upgrading 20 Caps per month. UAL just asked for Jan-Mar LOAs - check it out...it's on Skynet. It's time for a single List. No more delays.

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Old 11-22-2012, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Coach67 View Post



What a crock of crap! It's not industry lerading scope! It permits the Company to fly 90 seaters configured to 76 seats.

OMG . . . more idiocy . . .

The new TA restricts planes based on weight not seats and even if it didn't why would any company fly a heavier plane with fewer seats. It would lose money from day one. You are uneducated, uninformed and should keep your mouth shut.
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Old 11-23-2012, 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Sunvox View Post
OMG . . . more idiocy . . .

The new TA restricts planes based on weight not seats and even if it didn't why would any company fly a heavier plane with fewer seats. It would lose money from day one. You are uneducated, uninformed and should keep your mouth shut.
So they can put First Class and Economy Plus in the A/C. With that configuration the weight doesn't matter much ... does it?
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Old 11-23-2012, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by jsled View Post
Do not vote no. CAL is upgrading 20 Caps per month. UAL just asked for Jan-Mar LOAs - check it out...it's on Skynet. It's time for a single List. No more delays.

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There are a lot of imperfections as admitted by the MECs but I agree...there is nothing as important as stopping the CAL MEC/UCH vs UAL MEC grow/shrink reality. This is not a "what if" scenario, it is reality. I also don't subscribe to the folks saying that only pilots that vote no are entitled to voice displeasure with certain areas that are not good. If one evaluates the contract as the best current solution to stop the whipsaw and is in good standing I believe you're entitled to stay in the respectful constructive debate. I've read most of the gripes of the TA but I propose as a response to every single one: What is as important as ending the conniving whipsaw?
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