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Old 11-28-2012 | 04:35 AM
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jsled
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how dense can you be?!
First of all, where are you getting this "112%" number. My Rep told me we hover between 114 to 118% percent?!
Problem is, I don't know what that includes and means. Does it include Total (UAL & CAL Single Aisle Flying vs RJ's), Partial (one side or the other), 37 seat turbo props? United's mainline to RJ Ratio? what?!
from the FAQs
■What is the ratio of flying hours between United single aisle narrowbody aircraft and United Express at date of signing (DOS)?
The ratio between United single aisle narrowbody flying and United Express at the DOS will be: 53% United Express and 47% United single aisle narrowbodies.

The above is UNITED single aisle narrowbodies. There is no Continental. You and I work for UNITED.


No matter how you slice it. This TA is concessionary. It allows for 90 seaters configured to 76 seaters. Currently there are none.
not concessionary. Allows 76 seats, yes...like Delta for their last 3 contracts. But it limits UAX block hours to narrow body block hours, not all mainline block hours. Also puts flying restrictions and a 255 hard cap on 70+76 seaters unless United buys 100 seat mainline aircraft. If they don't, well I guess Delta is going to have a big RJ advantage. If they do, we have won the 100 seat battle.

It allows for a carve out of 37 seaters.
Yep. CAL's current book allowes unlimited turbo-props PERIOD. That includes 80 seat Q400s.

It allows for an unknown amount of 50 to 66 seaters
FALSE. 255 70+76 seaters (unless United buys and flies 100 seat mainline aircraft)

from the TA:
“70-Seat Aircraft” means aircraft configured with more than fifty (50) passenger seats but no more than seventy (70) passenger seats, and certificated in the United States with a maximum gross takeoff weight of 86,000 or fewer pounds.

So if it has 51 seats, it's a 70 seat aircraft.

You say it curtails the potential growth of UAX significantly compared to current book. Who's book?
Cause for the Continental Pilot Group, this Scope Section with regards to RJ Flying is Concessionary.
And I'm not even going into the LOA that allows USAir to get a large share of Code Share Flying.
Your 50 seat scope is dead. Sorry. Talk to your reps about that. The CO code is gone. THere are 70 seaters flying in and out of EWR and IAH and nothing can be done to stop it. Your scope also allowed unlimited Q400s, they are now included in the count of 70+76 seaters. The US AIr LOA is staus quo. We caved on that in the bankruptcy. AMR will hopefully take care of that for us. Just like United stole CAL from SKy Team.


You're Voting YES.. keep trying to justify it. If this POS TA Passes, we'll see what you have to say in 2014, 2015 and 2016 with regards to Scope.

Then again, my gut feeling is you don't give a ****~
I have 21 years to go. I give a ****. I believe this scope gives us leverage going forward, certainly better than current book. 255 hard cap on 70+76 seaters when they already have 180+ is HUGE. And tying UAX block hours to narrow body block hours is a big gain as well. No RJ growth when/if the company increases widebody block hours.


Sled

PS. I don't think you're "dense" and I know you give a ****. I just disagree with you.

Last edited by jsled; 11-28-2012 at 04:52 AM.
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